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Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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Old 10-03-2007, 08:22 AM   #51 (permalink)
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What if such fertilized eggs were put into a state hibernation, so to speak, for many, many years...such as the length of time an average human lives after his or her birth?

Would this act be "killing a live human being?"


In my opinion, technically it would not be "killing" because the child is not dead. However, it would be a grave desecration of the child's dignity as a human being.
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:24 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Folks, you're all getting off topic here.

What I want to know is, the baby in the link, is she a human being? Or is she a non-human bunch of cells?


Sorry George. I seem to have hijacked your thread.

To answer your question. The baby is a human being. She has been a human being from the moment of her conception - there is nothing else she could possibly be.
Old 10-03-2007, 08:34 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Baloney Detector,

The thing is, however, I apply the term "human being" to human germ cells too because they also fit my definition of "human being."


Wakawaka waka waka.


If you don't get that, it is only because you don't understand my definition of "waka waka".

My point being: words have meanings.

Use them correctly or come up with a new word that will accurately describe the meaning you want to assign to it. By using established words that have specific meanings and assigning arbitrary meanings to them, you create confusion (and bad logic).

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Old 10-03-2007, 11:36 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Baloney Detector,

The thing is, however, I apply the term "human being" to human germ cells too because they also fit my definition of "human being."


Wakawaka waka waka.


If you don't get that, it is only because you don't understand my definition of "waka waka".

My point being: words have meanings.

Use them correctly or come up with a new word that will accurately describe the meaning you want to assign to it. By using established words that have specific meanings and assigning arbitrary meanings to them, you create confusion (and bad logic).

Thanks
So then, would you mind posting a link to any definition for the label "human being" which includes anything to do with a fertilized human egg?
Old 10-03-2007, 11:47 AM   #55 (permalink)
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It's so funny how the obvious has to be totally ignored in this thread to create conversation.

And I seriously doubt any valid text is gonna refer to a gestating woman's body as simply a "life support system".
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Excerpt from Wikipedia:

Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Life cycle
The human life cycle is similar to that of other placental mammals. New humans develop viviparously from conception. An egg is usually fertilized inside the female by sperm from the male through sexual intercourse, though the recent technology of in vitro fertilization is occasionally used. The fertilized egg, called a zygote, divides inside the female's uterus to become an embryo, which over a period of thirty-eight weeks (9 months) of gestation becomes a human fetus. After this span of time, the fully-grown fetus is expelled from the female's body and breathes independently as an infant for the first time. At this point, most modern cultures recognize the baby as a person entitled to the full protection of the law, though some jurisdictions extend personhood to human fetuses while they remain in the uterus.


(emphasis mine).
Old 10-03-2007, 12:46 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Now, can you agree to use the real meanings of words rather than your own personal definition?
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Excerpt from Wikipedia:

Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Life cycle
The human life cycle is similar to that of other placental mammals. New humans develop viviparously from conception. An egg is usually fertilized inside the female by sperm from the male through sexual intercourse, though the recent technology of in vitro fertilization is occasionally used. The fertilized egg, called a zygote, divides inside the female's uterus to become an embryo, which over a period of thirty-eight weeks (9 months) of gestation becomes a human fetus. After this span of time, the fully-grown fetus is expelled from the female's body and breathes independently as an infant for the first time. At this point, most modern cultures recognize the baby as a person entitled to the full protection of the law, though some jurisdictions extend personhood to human fetuses while they remain in the uterus.

(emphasis mine).
So, within this quote, where exactly is the label "human being" used?

(Not that language definitions are objective anyway.)
Old 10-03-2007, 01:00 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fxashun View Post
It's so funny how the obvious has to be totally ignored in this thread to create conversation.

And I seriously doubt any valid text is gonna refer to a gestating woman's body as simply a "life support system".
This reminds me of the threads about the normality, or otherwise, of homosexuality.

All the arguments that try to make homosexuality appear normal and ok rely on re-definition of commonly-understood language and widely-held concepts.

Concepts like sex and human being.

In the bizarro mundo of the secular progressive and the moral relativist anything is possible. And it's all just fine.
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Now, can you agree to use the real meanings of words rather than your own personal definition?
Like this...ummm..."real meaning?":


huˇman beˇing (plural huˇman beˇings)

noun Definition: 1. member of human species: a member of the species to which men and women belong. Latin name Homo sapiens.

human being definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta
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