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Old 10-03-2007, 04:08 PM   #71 (permalink)
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(I think you mean to ask about "germ cells"...not "germs.")

Well, where do fertilized eggs explicitly fit into that definition?

If you ask me, it could be argued that both germ cells and fertilized eggs could be described as "members," as this word is used in the definition above.

But, this just highlights the subjective nature of language itself.

In short, language doesn't exist unless people, themselves, create it.

Thus, all language, and its terms used within, are ultimately subjective.

So, who's definition of any language term is actually the correct definition?

The truth is, language is meant to convey ideas, rather than prove ideas.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:59 PM   #72 (permalink)
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In short, language doesn't exist unless people, themselves, create it.

Right, but they all agree on the words' definitions.
Really?

Then how come different dictionaries have different definitions for the same words?

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The truth is, language is meant to convey ideas, rather than prove ideas.

And how do you convey an idea without a common set of words that have specific, commonly agreed upon, meanings?
I'm curious?

When was the entire English speaking public consulted when different publishing companies wrote their latest editions of the English dictionary?

Perhaps I missed that meeting.
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No, my definition of "germs" includes "germ cells" but not "fertilized eggs" ....unless it is Wednesday, in which case, it is my personal shorthand for "Germans" - who may or may not have "germs".
Whatever floats your boat.

Perhaps you too, like Steven Colbert when he created new words, can have your say on the next edition of Webster's Dictionary.

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Whatever floats your boat.

Why get so upset? After all, I'm just creating my own subjective words to convey my idea that your arguments are silly.

Hear's an idea: If you don't like what I'm saying, just redefine the meanings of my words until they say something you feel good about.

That way you can have your own idea of what I said, and I will have my own different idea of what I've said and we both will be happy - though of course neither one of us will have actually communicated anything to the other.
Old 11-27-2007, 10:37 AM   #75 (permalink)
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A fertilized egg is nothing but a cell with the bare potential to become a human, but seeing many eggs are spontaneously miscarried, the potential is not all that high. It is not yet a human. Is stopping its potential murder too? How about individual sperms and eggs? Don't they have the potential too? Is masturbation mass murder? Quoth Carl Sagan (Indirect) in Billions and Billions. Murder refers to specifically taking a human life, but in the beginning, an egg only has the potential. It looks nothing different from embryos of other species for quite a while. So when does it become human? It is only considered 'murder' when an embryo displays traits that distinguishes itself from embryos of other species. Physically, a fertilized egg is very similar to our skin cell or the "germ cells" as mentioned above. They just have DNA from both the mother and the father, and may grow into a fetus and eventually a baby.

I'm wondering though. If all are in mortal peril, assuming that it's physically possible and you can only preserve two, which would you save? Two children or two fertilized eggs (assuming there are no damage done to the mother)? Does the egg demand the same protection as a young child? Do you say that a human has died everytime there is a miscarriage? If not, then fertilized egg =/= human being... And murder is taking the life of a human being. Again, it just has the potential... They do not enjoy the same privileges. (However, my views are different for late abortions... I believe they are sufficiently 'human' to be protected by federal law)
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:58 AM   #76 (permalink)
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A fertilized egg is nothing but a cell with the bare potential to become a human, but seeing many eggs are spontaneously miscarried, the potential is not all that high. It is not yet a human. Is stopping its potential murder too? How about individual sperms and eggs? Don't they have the potential too? Is masturbation mass murder? Quoth Carl Sagan (Indirect) in Billions and Billions. Murder refers to specifically taking a human life, but in the beginning, an egg only has the potential. It looks nothing different from embryos of other species for quite a while. So when does it become human? It is only considered 'murder' when an embryo displays traits that distinguishes itself from embryos of other species. Physically, a fertilized egg is very similar to our skin cell or the "germ cells" as mentioned above. They just have DNA from both the mother and the father, and may grow into a fetus and eventually a baby.

I'm wondering though. If all are in mortal peril, assuming that it's physically possible and you can only preserve two, which would you save? Two children or two fertilized eggs (assuming there are no damage done to the mother)? Does the egg demand the same protection as a young child? Do you say that a human has died everytime there is a miscarriage? If not, then fertilized egg =/= human being... And murder is taking the life of a human being. Again, it just has the potential... They do not enjoy the same privileges. (However, my views are different for late abortions... I believe they are sufficiently 'human' to be protected by federal law)
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A fertilized egg is nothing but a cell with the bare potential to become a human, but seeing many eggs are spontaneously miscarried, the potential is not all that high. It is not yet a human.

Okay, You tell me. When does it become human?
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Okay, You tell me. When does it become human?

It's all a matter of perspective, but I would say it becomes human when it develop features that distinguishes itself from other types of embryo. I think human thought and the ability to perceive music as more than just 'sound' would make a fetus pretty much human.
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Old 12-03-2007, 07:30 AM   #79 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a matter of perspective at all. In this context, if a woman is pregnant, the growing life in her belly is for all intents and purposes a human.
An infant may not be a teen ager, but you pretty much expect him to be one in a few years. The same applies to the fetus.
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It's all a matter of perspective, but I would say it becomes human when it develop features that distinguishes itself from other types of embryo. I think human thought and the ability to perceive music as more than just 'sound' would make a fetus pretty much human.

Thanks for answering OC.

So you seem to believe that there is some point at which an embryo becomes a human being (your example being the ability to perceive music as more than just sound). Presumably you also believe that once it is determined to be human, it is entitled to its life.

Is that a fair assumption?
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