Originally Posted by Ralph

Yes, that is the difference between being immoral, materialistic or selfish and someone considering what results their actions may produce upon others, especially when considering the value of life. You can not legislate morality as evidenced by the many immoral laws that are now on the books. The laws of any society are only the product of how its people reflect morality. Laws do not control the morals of any society. The morals of the people or the lack thereof are reflected in the laws of that society. This is why it is paramount that Law not be "legislated" form the benches of our legal system---when this is done, the peoples will as to what they consider moral are made to be of non-effect and we indeed are ruled not by "democracy" but by non-elected committee. THE MORE YOU LEGISLATE, THE MORE YOU 'DICTATE'. With many more years of 1.6 million children being aborted, the human child will have to be placed upon the endangered species list. But not to worry, our good neighbors to the south, seem to be based more on morality than we here in the states in their concern for human life. In a few years, we will simply have a different culture. Perhaps it will be for the best. I have been brushing up, That Dora the Explorer sure has some wonderful insight of what is to come. (R)

Originally Posted by baloney_detector

Actually, Latin America has an average estimated abortion rate that is higher than the US abortion rate...even though abortion is illegal throughout much of Latin America:

The Incidence of Abortion Worldwide

This just goes to show that making abortion illegal doesn't necessarily lead to a lower rate of abortion.

And, if you ask me, if a population wants to lower their abortion rate, then they aught to make contraceptives available to everyone before they even consider changing the legality of abortion.

And, if you ask me, this is a middle ground that I think most people would agree with...regardless of their position on the legality of abortion.

Originally Posted by Ralph

So you are claiming that Mexico has more children killed a year (1.6million) by illegal abortion than does the Untied States of America with legal abortion? Or are "tweaking" the stats to include the whole of Latin American nations to justify your position as to present your ideology as correct? I guess the old cliche' is true. FIGURES DO NOT LIE BUT LIARS FIGURE. I just read your "so called" proof and it is "self professed" to be only an estimate sense no "records" were available. Go surf some more. In either case, the murder of children is deemed OK by you because it is illegal elsewhere? You want real stats? http://www.johnstonarchive.net/polic...ab-mexico.html
The whole web address could not be entered. manually type (johnstonarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-mexico.html) Notice that "NO" RECORDS WERE EVEN PRESENTED UNTIL THE MID TO LATE NINETIES. Does it not seem strange that an unofficial "estimate" just happens to point in the direction they you are trying to direct people? (R)

Originally Posted by baloney_detector

Well, Latin America is south of the US, is it not? (Cuba, with an incredibly high abortion rate, is also a neighbor to our south, is it not?) And, if you were speaking of Mexico from the begining, you probably should have said so, don't you think?

So, how do you know the data from the site that you listed is accurate, especially data from countries were abortion is illegal to some extent? (Both sites are prone to inaccuracies in data for countries in which abortion is illegal to some extent. Heck, even in the US the data is somewhat inaccurate since not every state reports the number of abortions to the federal government.)

And, since you asked, the supposed "murder" of supposed "children" is A-OK with me up until the end of the second trimester. And I have no qualms whatsoever with this position.

Originally Posted by Ralph

I Do not, and neither do you, that is the point. However, proof would have to be furnished to establish that the Mexican people, which are very founded in the Christian religion, have a more "liberal" view concerning abortion, and do in fact, as you tried to project carry out more abortions per capita than is done in the United States were it is legal. As I said the manipulation of numbers is a very common tactic of the peoples that wish to "dehumanize" unborn children. There are as "Mark Twain" once said three kinds of lies....LIES...DAMN LIES...AND STATISTICS. (R)

Originally Posted by Ralph

With many more years of 1.6 million children being aborted, the human child will have to be placed upon the endangered species list. (R)

Originally Posted by Grace

I dont know why Im more surprised today than any other day, but you people really make me sick. I guess it was this comment by BD

"And, since you asked, the supposed "murder" of supposed "children" is A-OK with me up until the end of the second trimester. And I have no qualms whatsoever with this position." 01-06-2008 10:00 PM

I tell you this balony detector, better is it for you to tie a big rock to your neck, and cast yourself into the sea, than to endorce the destruction of the innocent. I hope you hear there blood scream for justice, as your cast into hell. God forgive me for feeling this way.

Originally Posted by Grace

Originally Posted by baloney_detector

I've said this before and I'll say it again, "Ain't it nice to have an opinion?"

(Your religious beliefs on the matter don't concern me. And, it should be interesting to note that for around 500 years (1312 to the mid-1800's) the Catholic Church held the position that abortion was homicide only if it took place after the fetus was already "formed," which is roughly at the end of the first trimester. So, with this in mind, did Heaven suddenly become less populated in the mid-1800's when the Catholic Church...well...changed their mind on the matter?)