Originally Posted by sgtdmski

Really are you sure that abortion is 10 times safer than childbirth????? There are two studies that reveal that the Death Rate by Abortion is three times higher than the death rate by childbirth.......

Pregnancy-associated mortality after birth, spontaneous abortion or induced abortion in Finland, 1987 - 2000 which appeared in the American Journal of OB/GYN showed that the death rate for women who carried to term was 28.2 per 100,000 whereas the death rate for women who had abortions was 83.1 per 100,000. This study reviewed records of women over 13 years.

Deaths associated with pregnancy outcome: a record linkage study of low income women that appeared in the Southern Medical Journal looked at deaths of women who had children and abortions for up to two years following. It found women who had abortions were twice as likely to die within the following two years as compared to those who carried to term. The study also found that this elevated mortality persisted for up to eight years and that women who had abortions were three times more likely to die of circulatory disease and five times more likely to die from cerebrovascular disease.

In Roe v Wade, the Court accepted as fact that abortion was safer than childbirth, especially in early stages of pregnancy which helped to formulate the trimester ruling. In the ruling the court as stated that the states have the authority to regulate abortion to protect the womens health only at the point at which death rates associated with abortion exceeded those associated with child birth.

So obviously it would seem these studies disprove that abortion is safe, and as such, if we want our young women to be safe than instead of encouraging them to abort, instead we should encourage them to rear. Or to use your wording, REQUIRE them to give birth.

Oh yes, facts are stupid things.

dmk

Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

It could get a pregnant teen beaten, killed, or tossed into the system.

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Facts are wonderful things, and the facts show that early legal abortion is SAFE for women, much safer than childbirth.

In the Know: Questions About Pregnancy, Contraception and Abortion

"18. How safe is abortion?

• The risk of abortion complications is minimal when the procedure is performed by a trained professional in a hygienic setting: Fewer than 1% of all U.S. abortion patients experience a major complication. The risk of death associated with abortion in the United States is less than 0.6 per 100,000 procedures, which is less than one-tenth as large as the risk associated with childbirth. (40) However, 68,000 women in countries where abortion is illegal die each year of abortion complications, and many times this number are injured by unsafe procedures. (5)"

Legal Abortion: the Sign of a Civilized Society

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

"Benefits of Legal Abortion
Besides the tremendous benefit to society of ensuring that every child is a wanted child, legal abortion has clearly been a significant factor in saving women's lives and health:

• A large majority of legal abortions replace abortions that had been performed illegally, and often unsafely, before the change in laws.
• Deaths from abortion have declined dramatically in all countries where abortion has been legalized. The risk of death from abortion has fallen steadily, and is now miniscule. The chances of dying in childbirth are now about 10 times greater.
• The chances of complications caused by childbirth are close to 30 times greater than complications caused by abortion. Abortion is nearly twice as safe as a penicillin injection.
• Where abortion is legal and readily available, women obtain abortions earlier in pregnancy when health risks to them are lowest.
• One-third of all legal abortions are on women for whom the health and social consequences of unplanned childbearing are the greatest -- teenagers and women over 35.
• Legal abortion protects women suffering from serious or life-threatening illnesses and genetic disease that could be passed onto their children with devastating consequences.
• When women can control their reproduction, it leaves them free to pursue higher education and careers, and to plan their lives and families. Women should not be expected to sacrifice their personal and economic freedom to have babies they don't want. "

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

"SAFETY OF ABORTION

The risk of abortion complications is minimal; fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication that requires hospitalization.[24]
Abortions performed in the first trimester pose virtually no long-term risk of such problems as infertility, ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) or congenital malformation (birth defect), and little or no risk of preterm or low-birth-weight deliveries. [25].....
The risk of death associated with abortion increases with the length of pregnancy, from one death for every one million abortions at or before eight weeks to one per 29,000 at 16–20 weeks—and one per 11,000 at 21 or more weeks.[28]
The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 12 times as high as that associated with abortion.[29]"

Originally Posted by sgtdmski

From prochoice america........I offer two medical journals and in response you give me a report from prochoice america. Yeah I can see how this report outweighs the validity of true medical research.



From the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research and statistic wing of Planned Parenthood. Yes again I see how this outweighs the research condicuted for Medical Journals that require the reports issued to be peer evaluated and if necessary disputed. I guess we will just continue to wait for some peer evaluations and disputes in the journals.

I always find it interesting how so many of these so-called scientific studies never make it into journals. Perhaps it is because journals require the studies to be peer evaluated which allows for challenges on the methodologies used, the conclusions to be challenged, and of course for future studies to prove or disprove the science.

Nice try.

dmk

Originally Posted by fxashun

I didn't check the references, but thought this might be useful here.
Dr. Laura

“. . . (In this seven-year Finnish study,) the mean annual suicide rate (for the general population) was 11.3 per 100,000. The suicide rate associated with birth was significantly lower (5.9) and the rates associated with miscarriage (18.1) and induced abortion (34.7) were significantly higher than in the population. . . . CONCLUSIONS: The increased risk of suicide after an induced abortion indicates either common risk factors for both or harmful effects of induced abortion on mental health.”
Gissler M, Hemminki E, Lonnqvist J. (National Research and Development Centre for Welfare and Health (STAKES), Helsinki, Finland): Suicides After Pregnancy in Finland, 1987?94: Register Linkage Study. British Medical Journal 313(7070):1431?4, 1996.
The above report was replicated in the following U.S. study:


“. . . (In a sample of over 173,000 California women who had abortions or live births,) those who aborted had a significantly higher age?adjusted risk of death . . . from suicide (2.54) (compared to women who delivered their babies) . . . CONCLUSIONS: Higher death rates associated with abortion persist over time and across socioeconomic boundaries. This may be explained by self?destructive tendencies, depression, and other unhealthy behavior aggravated by the abortion experience.”
Reardon DC, Ney PG, Scheuren F, Cougle J, Coleman PK, Strahan TW: Deaths associated with pregnancy outcome: a record linkage study of low income women. Southern Medical Journal 95(:834?41, 2002.

Originally Posted by baloney_detector

But, an associative relationship between data is not the same thing as a causal relationship between data.

And, it could be quite a leap to conclude that induced abortions cause suicides based purely upon an existence of an associative relationship between induced abortions and suicide.

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

Ah, so now the test by which we decide the morality and ethics of a thing is how "safe" (and relatively easy) it is.

Originally Posted by fxashun

I'm not the researcher. I'm just providing the information that OKg asked for. Take your issues with the research up with them. Their conclusions are right there. Here's more interpretation..
WorldNetDaily: Study: Abortion increases suicide risk

Suicides after pregnancy -- Morgan et al. 314 (7084): 902 -- BMJ