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Old 10-15-2007, 12:24 PM   #121 (permalink)
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God forbid anybody actually RISK anything for another.. especially her own child!
Any woman who has given birth has already risked everything for that child.

When my youngest was six, my doctors informed me that another pregnancy would land me on a kidney transplant list, IF I survived.

What right does society have to say I must take that risk?
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Any woman who has given birth has already risked everything for that child.

When my youngest was six, my doctors informed me that another pregnancy would land me on a kidney transplant list, IF I survived.

What right does society have to say I must take that risk?

What right do you have to tell society you're not up to that risk if you make the choice to screw?
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What right do you have to tell society you're not up to that risk if you make the choice to screw?
Simple. It's none of society's business.

If you have kids, you obviously made the choice to screw. That doesn't give me the right to dictate how you raise them, or how you must decide life and death issues for them.






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Simple. It's none of society's business.

I'd say when it involes killing somebody, it becomes "society's business by default.
If you have kids, you obviously made the choice to screw. That doesn't give me the right to dictate how you raise them, or how you must decide life and death issues for them.
To a degree, society DOES have a right to dictate issues of reproduction and child rearing. Like it or not, those things affect us all.. one way or another.
Again, abortion should remain legal, IMO, but society damn sure has a right... obligation, really, to protest the moral implications of it.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:38 PM   #125 (permalink)
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To a degree, society DOES have a right to dictate issues of reproduction and child rearing. Like it or not, those things affect us all.. one way or another.
Again, abortion should remain legal, IMO, but society damn sure has a right... obligation, really, to protest the moral implications of it.
If someone wants to make their 'moral' opinions known, I have no problem with that.

It is those who would inflict those opinions onto others who are a problem.

Two people cannot have equal rights to one body. So the legal issue of abortion pretty much comes down to: Who has the majority rights.

And BTW, if you think sex is just for reproduction, you're doing it wrong.
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What right do you have to tell society you're not up to that risk if you make the choice to screw?
Does society have the right to tell us under what circumstances we are allowed to screw? Society has been attempting to do that for some centuries without much success.
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Does society have the right to tell us under what circumstances we are allowed to screw? Society has been attempting to do that for some centuries without much success.
To a degree.. YES.. because the consequenses of screwing can often have effects that go far beyond those two (or more) who choose to do the screwing.
But you are correct in that it's most often not something best handled by law.

"Screw laws" -- touse blunt terminology -- have historically not worked very well.
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I'd say when it involes killing somebody, it becomes "society's business by default.
There you go again, personifying a zef. A zef isn't "somebody".



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To a degree, society DOES have a right to dictate issues of reproduction and child rearing. Like it or not, those things affect us all.. one way or another.
Again, abortion should remain legal, IMO, but society damn sure has a right... obligation, really, to protest the moral implications of it.

Is society CAPABLE of dictating the management of such issues are reproduction and child rearing? There will always be those who are not affected by the approval or disapproval of society. Society can have a greater effect on such issues by offering encouragement and incentives for the desired behavior.
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"Screw laws" -- touse blunt terminology -- have historically not worked very well.

Nope, and they never will. Which is why I can't understand why some segments of society keep banging their heads against that particular brick wall.


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There you go again, personifying a zef. A zef isn't "somebody".


There YOU go, projecting your beliefs and rationalizations.

"Mommy.. it was cookie DOUGH!"

Look, you can put as much lipstick on the pig as you want.. but I ain't gonna call it Cindy Crawford.

Abortion is a form of killing. Maybe not THE SAME as blowing somebody's brains out.. but certianly SIMILAR enough that I'm simply never, ever going to buy yours and similar rationalizations -- which seem to be based on moral relativism and an essentially materialistic worldview.

We just have to agree to disagree.




Is society CAPABLE of dictating the management of such issues are reproduction and child rearing? There will always be those who are not affected by the approval or disapproval of society. Society can have a greater effect on such issues by offering encouragement and incentives for the desired behavior.
Exactly.

There needs to be more of a meeting of the minds on this. I think the left needs to realize the world won't come crashing down if young people, especially young women, are taught and encouraged in good, old-fashioned values such as self-respect, modesty and even (gasp!) chastity.

Conversely, I think the right needs to quit trying to run away from the fact that even the best kids with the best vaules sometimes just get carried away and (gasp!) have sex... and the world will not come crashing down if the young 'uns get proper training in the basic mechanics of sex, the risk factors and the use of condoms.

If we can take more steps on those paths, IMO, abortion becomes more or less a moot point in most cases.
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