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Old 10-13-2007, 10:13 AM   #41 (permalink)
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My comment was made in response to sgtdmski's post:

My point was that if it is a medical procedure that is at issue, then the consent of one parent will do- like all other medical procedures. Requiring the consent of BOTH parents IS an undue burden on the pregnant teen.
I disagree. When both parents are actively supporting a child both need to give consent to an abortion if that child becomes pregnant and wants an abortion.
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Old 10-13-2007, 10:16 AM   #42 (permalink)
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When or if two parents disagree if a child of theirs would have an abortion or not have an abortion. It would be apparent that a life is at stake, both the child's life and the child inside the childs life. The option would have to go before a court in the case of a desired abortion.

Supposing your next statement will be that is unreasonable. I would simply have to state that I disagree.
Good supposition there. Don't you know, while the girl is waiting for our overburdened court system to get around to her, her pregnancy is very likely to continue past the timeframe where an abortion is legally allowed, rendering the issue moot, and forcing the pregnancy to be carried to term, against the wishes of the girl and one parent?

Or is that part of your plan?
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Good supposition there. Don't you know, while the girl is waiting for our overburdened court system to get around to her, her pregnancy is very likely to continue past the timeframe where an abortion is legally allowed, rendering the issue moot, and forcing the pregnancy to be carried to term, against the wishes of the girl and one parent?

Or is that part of your plan?
Courts overburden where? State exactly where these courts are overburdened.
Where I live you can get to court very quickly and recieve a hearing in days.
If you do not like the court system where you are maybe you should concentrate your efforts there first in order to recieve better justice.

My plan woud be for life and freedom for all. Including the unborn who do not have a voice. If that one parent understands the long term consequences of what the child will be facing when and/or if he or she disagrees with their child having an abortion. That parent has a right to defend both their child and the right to life for that unborn grandchild.
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those who failed to consider that consequences could be pregnancy when they had sex.
How do you know that they 'failed to consider that consequences could be pregnancy when they had sex'?

Do you really think that there are people out there dumb enough to not know that sex can result in pregnancy?

Has it ever crossed your mind that a lot of people consider abortion a way of dealing with the 'consequential pregnancy'?




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Courts overburden where? State exactly where these courts are overburdened.
Pick any medium to large city in America.

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If you do not like the court system where you are maybe you should concentrate your efforts there first in order to recieve better justice.
The court system isn't accepting public donations... they are funded by taxes, and the public isn't involved directly in choosing where the money gets spent. (cof cof War on Terrorism)

And even if they were, if you ask 100 people where the government should spend more tax dollars, I would be willing to bet that 0 people will say "on improving the court system."

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My plan woud be for life and freedom for all. Including the unborn who do not have a voice. If that one parent understands the long term consequences of what the child will be facing when and/or if he or she disagrees with their child having an abortion. That parent has a right to defend both their child and the right to life for that unborn grandchild.
Where is that right enumerated, exactly? Your plan puts the rights of the potential person ahead of the rights of the actual person. This sounds less like a legally defensible position and more like a pro-life desperation position to me.
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Do you really think that there are people out there dumb enough to not know that sex can result in pregnancy?
CF, I normally agree with you wholeheartedly, but I have to ask you to think about this one... do you really think everyone who has sex (particularly young people) understands all the ramifications?

The old myth "You can't get pregnant the first time" is less popular than it was, but it isn't dead yet, and that's just for starters.

I think there are PLENTY of young women out there, especially when you hear about some of them starting to have sex at 12, or even 10, who do NOT know "where babies come from." And find out the hard way.
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How do you know that they 'failed to consider that consequences could be pregnancy when they had sex'?
Each case surely has it's own merits. That is exactly why abortions should be taken more seriously by people than they are.

Do you really think that there are people out there dumb enough to not know that sex can result in pregnancy?

Obviously there are.

Has it ever crossed your mind that a lot of people consider abortion a way of dealing with the 'consequential pregnancy'?
Read below a portion of the previous post on the previous thread I wrote.
Thank you for sharing. I have several good friends who agreed to the females of their lives back when having abortions. These dear friends have regretted for years the, "What if's".


My daughter a few years back got pregnant. She was on blood thinners at the time. It was one those "not supposed to be able to happen" pregnancy's. Her beau at the time told her she had an option of abortion. She snapped back "You may be an option! Babies are a gift of God." He decided he did not wish to be an option, (they married later). Some days have not all been roses for her but I am sure she will never regret that decision. She has been able to spend more time with her third child than she ever had the opportunity or the time to spend with her first two children. She would share with me everyday the joyous moments those small bundles bring that she had missed while mom watched over the older two.
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I disagree. When both parents are actively supporting a child both need to give consent to an abortion if that child becomes pregnant and wants an abortion.
If parental consent to an abortion is required for a pregnant teenager, then why shouldn't parental consent be required for a teenager if she wishes to remain pregnant...especially since pregnant teenagers very often need medical care in order to carry a pregnancy to term?
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Pick any medium to large city in America.
Not my by my experience when it comes to matters that need immediate attention courts do oblige.


Where is that right enumerated, exactly? Your plan puts the rights of the potential person ahead of the rights of the actual person. This sounds less like a legally defensible position and more like a pro-life desperation position to me.
We are talking about children here. Children are not fully developed adults that get to just make any decision they like. Parents are fully responsible for their children. That is the law.
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CF, I normally agree with you wholeheartedly, but I have to ask you to think about this one... do you really think everyone who has sex (particularly young people) understands all the ramifications?

The old myth "You can't get pregnant the first time" is less popular than it was, but it isn't dead yet, and that's just for starters.

I think there are PLENTY of young women out there, especially when you hear about some of them starting to have sex at 12, or even 10, who do NOT know "where babies come from." And find out the hard way.
Very true. I was thinking more of the older women. I'm not totally awake yet.
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