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Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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Old 10-13-2007, 11:04 AM   #61 (permalink)
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It was simply a reply to one of your queries CF. I have known those that have gotten pregnant that was not intended and those who have carried to term a child for adoption and those who have great regrets.

Not all cases are the same no doubt.
Since not all cases are the same, how can we expect a 'one size fits all' law to work?




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Old 10-13-2007, 11:06 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Can you imagine saying that to a pregnant girl's father, where his wife is insisting on dragging the matter to court?

"Fixing" the court system will take MUCH longer than waiting for a hearing, which in turn will take MUCH longer than the end of the legal abortion window for the girl in question.

Thankfully, we don't have to worry about that scenario, because your plan is not in effect.
Actually yes I can. Some people value life more than others. Beside the mother would have a better clue to what the pregnant daughter will be facing. She did after all carry her daughter to term or they would not be facing that pregnant child scenario before they went to court.

Again, if you are unhappy with the judicial sysytem start work on it now. If make take your life time to get it straighten out but the next generation will recieve some benefit from your efforts.
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Parents are responsible for their childrens medical care.

Are you saying that the state should require parents to sign for approval for teenagers to remain pregnant?If so then you need to talk to your legislators.
Well, if parental consent is required for any medical care of a minor, then parents could just as well deny medical care for a minor who is and wishes to remain pregnant.

And teenage pregnancies very often require medical care if those teenagers wish to remain pregnant.

So, why can't minors, then, be indirectly forced to have abortions if their parents do not give consent to any medical care that is meant to carry a pregnancy to term?
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Since not all cases are the same, how can we expect a 'one size fits all' law to work?
It is just like any other law on the books CF, "One size fit all" is the only way to create laws. They legislate to provide the best possible justice available. Does it always work, no it does not. There still has to be a set standard to go by though. If that standard is not working it has to be decided on an individual basis in the justice system.
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Actually yes I can. Some people value life more than others. Beside the mother would have a better clue to what the pregnant daughter will be facing. She did after all carry her daughter to term or they would not be facing that pregnant child scenario before they went to court.


Obviously she doesn't value her daughters life very much. I cannot comprehend telling my daughter that an embryo she is carrying means more to me than she does. HER health and safety is my number one concern.

Again, if you are unhappy with the judicial sysytem start work on it now. If make take your life time to get it straighten out but the next generation will recieve some benefit from your efforts.
My husband works for the Federal Courts. If we start 'straightening out' the courts now, we might see some results in a hundred years or so.

My husband and I went to court for a civil suit a few years back. We filed the papers in early January. The first date we could get, was in late April.

The courts are jammed, and they are going to remain that way until the average citizen is willing to pay much more in taxes to free them up. I feel safe saying that that isn't going to happen.
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So, why can't minors, then, be indirectly forced to have abortions if their parents do not give consent to any medical care that is meant to carry a pregnancy to term?
You will have to take that one up with the lawmakers 'b_d'.

Maybe you can insite a move for forced abortions while everyone is asking for a 'global medical plan'.

I would personally be against such a move. Then again I am but one voice among the millions out there.
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It is just like any other law on the books CF, "One size fit all" is the only way to create laws.

That's not quite true. Many laws have exceptions. Taking another life is murder, Unless you are doing it to defend yourself. Or someone else. Or cannot comprehend what you are doing.

They legislate to provide the best possible justice available. Does it always work, no it does not. There still has to be a set standard to go by though. If that standard is not working it has to be decided on an individual basis in the justice system.
And the set standard that works best regarding abortion, is to leave it to the woman involved. If she is a minor, the set standard that works best is one parents permission or a Judges.

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Nice one, BD!

For that matter, the new teen mom also usually needs massive monetary and logistical support after that unwanted child arrives, more burdens that the unwilling grandparent have to shoulder.

Yup, if we are going to let the parents fight about it while the girl sits and waits to hear her fate, this one has to go both ways.

Which just proves how ridiculous the original idea is.
Personally speaking, I don't think people who advocate parental consent in the case that a pregnant minor wishes to have an abortion have thought this situation that they propose thoroughly enough.

And, like you said, there are other issues involved in this decision besides the medical issues.
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My husband works for the Federal Courts. If we start 'straightening out' the courts now, we might see some results in a hundred years or so.

My husband and I went to court for a civil suit a few years back. We filed the papers in early January. The first date we could get, was in late April.

The courts are jammed, and they are going to remain that way until the average citizen is willing to pay much more in taxes to free them up. I feel safe saying that that isn't going to happen.
Some states have created strictly seperate courts for family matters. The case I happened to be in was expedited despite the ex's attorney.

Civil courts cases can be drawn out for a long time. Many judiciaries consider if it it not a life threatening matter it can be tabled until a later date. Matters concerning life are normally heard first.
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You will have to take that one up with the lawmakers 'b_d'.

Maybe you can insite a move for forced abortions while everyone is asking for a 'global medical plan'.

I would personally be against such a move. Then again I am but one voice among the millions out there.
Hey, parental consent for medical care of minors means...well...parental consent for medical care of minors.

What difference does it make what the actual medical care is that is being consented to?
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