Abortion lowers crime significantly - Page 8

commonsense · 03-03-2006, 07:32 PM

and forgive me for posting my first opinion in 3 differnt forums. that was my first time ever joining any online discussion i wasnt sure how it worked.

Dylan · 03-03-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by commonsense

open mouth insert foot apparently a man wrote before he read. i was referring to the amount of time so many criminals remain on death row for. i know there is a death peanlty. duh. i said i was no expert on moral values. not god or anti- depressants. note the period. and by me saying god must be crying and taking them in no way did i say they cant be done at the same time same time. i expressed my opinion on abortions i thought that is what this forum was for.
i see that mans point how abortions could help reduce crime. my opinion on that and please excuse me for having one.... everyday i deal with women that are pregnant with childern they dont want that yes, are often fathered by criminals, most of these women are poor and so are the fathers. they cant afford to take care of these childern, they also cant afford an abortion. they get on welfare, move into public housing, and those unwanted childern are running around raising themselves in places that it is considered cool to own guns and sell drugs. these childern grow up. wellah... theres some of your criminals. if abortion were illegal except in extreme situations, men and women that so freely have unprotected sex and greatly add to the welfare, hiv and std epidemic would eventually learn their lesson after being forced to give birth to and pay for a child. these people would be more likley to use protection or /and birth controll, some will never learn. ive also noticed that not all of the childern of criminals grow up to be criminals. and not every criminal comes from a parent that is one. it would be like playing russian rolate, genetics are never certain.
god bless all of us

This thread, in case you didn't notice, is about a theory that Steven Levitt, a well known economist, has about the effects of abortion on crime in the mid-90's. I agree with Levitt, so I was citing his theory. It's better to quote an expert then to just dribble some mindless opinion off without any evidence.

Children are not a punishment, and being poor is not a crime. People rarely skip out on abortions because they are not affordable. That's the key part of Levitt's argument. Abortions can be anywhere from 700 dolalrs to free, depending on the person's ability to pay. Before abortion was illegal, only middle class and wealthy people could afford to get safe abortions.

Genetics has nothing to do with Levitt's theory. There is a link to his paper in this thread, and he also discusses it at length in his book Freakonomics. Maybe you should actually read about it before you argue against it.

By the way, your spelling and grammar are terrible. What's a 'rolate?' Is it some sort of breath mint?

I intensely dislike it when people claim to know the will of God, or what God thinks. If there is a God, we're only finite, limited little flesh sacks. How dare you presume to know what God thinks?

commonsense · 03-03-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

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Originally Posted by commonsense

open mouth insert foot apparently a man wrote before he read. i was referring to the amount of time so many criminals remain on death row for. i know there is a death peanlty. duh. i said i was no expert on moral values. not god or anti- depressants. note the period. and by me saying god must be crying and taking them in no way did i say they cant be done at the same time same time. i expressed my opinion on abortions i thought that is what this forum was for.
i see that mans point how abortions could help reduce crime. my opinion on that and please excuse me for having one.... everyday i deal with women that are pregnant with childern they dont want that yes, are often fathered by criminals, most of these women are poor and so are the fathers. they cant afford to take care of these childern, they also cant afford an abortion. they get on welfare, move into public housing, and those unwanted childern are running around raising themselves in places that it is considered cool to own guns and sell drugs. these childern grow up. wellah... theres some of your criminals. if abortion were illegal except in extreme situations, men and women that so freely have unprotected sex and greatly add to the welfare, hiv and std epidemic would eventually learn their lesson after being forced to give birth to and pay for a child. these people would be more likley to use protection or /and birth controll, some will never learn. ive also noticed that not all of the childern of criminals grow up to be criminals. and not every criminal comes from a parent that is one. it would be like playing russian rolate, genetics are never certain.
god bless all of us

This thread, in case you didn't notice, is about a theory that Steven Levitt, a well known economist, has about the effects of abortion on crime in the mid-90's. I agree with Levitt, so I was citing his theory. It's better to quote an expert then to just dribble some mindless opinion off without any evidence.

Children are not a punishment, and being poor is not a crime. People rarely skip out on abortions because they are not affordable. That's the key part of Levitt's argument. Abortions can be anywhere from 700 dolalrs to free, depending on the person's ability to pay. Before abortion was illegal, only middle class and wealthy people could afford to get safe abortions.

Genetics has nothing to do with Levitt's theory. There is a link to his paper in this thread, and he also discusses it at length in his book Freakonomics. Maybe you should actually read about it before you argue against it.

By the way, your spelling and grammar are terrible. What's a 'rolate?' Is it some sort of breath mint?

I intensely dislike it when people claim to know the will of God, or what God thinks. If there is a God, we're only finite, limited little flesh sacks. How dare you presume to know what God thinks?

i knew nothing about levitt or his theory. i wanted to voice my opinion on abortions, i did so. i didnt mean to offend anyone.
i work in a welfare office and i see this everyday. excuse me for having a new opinion, i see this website is only excepts one sided men that chat amungst themselves, thats what phones are for. the next time u speak 2 ur mother consider thanking her for not having an abortion with you. ill be sure to pray for you since you have such a hard time with me saying god bless us all and he must be crying because his childern are killing eachother. ill be sure to find a website that people actually discuss abortions

RidinHighSpeeds · 03-03-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by commonsense

ill be sure to find a website that people actually discuss abortions

You don't need to leave..Sure lots of people on this forum are pro-choice, but there are still some of those who are pro-life. Would you be interested in any of the other topics on this forum??

Dylan · 03-03-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by commonsense

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Originally Posted by Dylan

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Originally Posted by commonsense

open mouth insert foot apparently a man wrote before he read. i was referring to the amount of time so many criminals remain on death row for. i know there is a death peanlty. duh. i said i was no expert on moral values. not god or anti- depressants. note the period. and by me saying god must be crying and taking them in no way did i say they cant be done at the same time same time. i expressed my opinion on abortions i thought that is what this forum was for.
i see that mans point how abortions could help reduce crime. my opinion on that and please excuse me for having one.... everyday i deal with women that are pregnant with childern they dont want that yes, are often fathered by criminals, most of these women are poor and so are the fathers. they cant afford to take care of these childern, they also cant afford an abortion. they get on welfare, move into public housing, and those unwanted childern are running around raising themselves in places that it is considered cool to own guns and sell drugs. these childern grow up. wellah... theres some of your criminals. if abortion were illegal except in extreme situations, men and women that so freely have unprotected sex and greatly add to the welfare, hiv and std epidemic would eventually learn their lesson after being forced to give birth to and pay for a child. these people would be more likley to use protection or /and birth controll, some will never learn. ive also noticed that not all of the childern of criminals grow up to be criminals. and not every criminal comes from a parent that is one. it would be like playing russian rolate, genetics are never certain.
god bless all of us

This thread, in case you didn't notice, is about a theory that Steven Levitt, a well known economist, has about the effects of abortion on crime in the mid-90's. I agree with Levitt, so I was citing his theory. It's better to quote an expert then to just dribble some mindless opinion off without any evidence.

Children are not a punishment, and being poor is not a crime. People rarely skip out on abortions because they are not affordable. That's the key part of Levitt's argument. Abortions can be anywhere from 700 dolalrs to free, depending on the person's ability to pay. Before abortion was illegal, only middle class and wealthy people could afford to get safe abortions.

Genetics has nothing to do with Levitt's theory. There is a link to his paper in this thread, and he also discusses it at length in his book Freakonomics. Maybe you should actually read about it before you argue against it.

By the way, your spelling and grammar are terrible. What's a 'rolate?' Is it some sort of breath mint?

I intensely dislike it when people claim to know the will of God, or what God thinks. If there is a God, we're only finite, limited little flesh sacks. How dare you presume to know what God thinks?

i knew nothing about levitt or his theory. i wanted to voice my opinion on abortions, i did so. i didnt mean to offend anyone.
i work in a welfare office and i see this everyday. excuse me for having a new opinion, i see this website is only excepts one sided men that chat amungst themselves, thats what phones are for. the next time u speak 2 ur mother consider thanking her for not having an abortion with you. ill be sure to pray for you since you have such a hard time with me saying god bless us all and he must be crying because his childern are killing eachother. ill be sure to find a website that people actually discuss abortions

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It's called "debate." I'm not offended, I'm debating. I am irritated by self righteous drivel. Pray for yourself.
If you want to go somewhere where people just agree with you, then why are you here? I stated my opinions, you stated yours. I did my best to disporove your points, and all you did was bring up your opinion of what God thinks, which is probably far beyond your means to comprehend. What God thinks isn't even applicable in debate, because you can't prove that God exists, let alone what God wants. I could just as easily say that God weeps because children are born into poverty. I could claim that God is on Zoloft because manatees get cut up by speed boats. Saying what you think God wants isn't a strong argument.

My mother had me because she wanted to have me. I'd rather be aborted than be born into a family that never wanted me to happen.