Still probably far less than what universal health care costs though.

That is SO insulting to women. Women are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves whether they can afford a child, whether they have health issues, genetic issues, or any other issues that would affect good parenting. In fact, women are far more capable of making such decisions for themselves than ANY branch of government. Setting up such barriers to getting an abortion would have the same effect as banning it entirely, it would cause a huge number of illegal abortions.

When a man's body is affected by the pregnancy/childbirth, he can decide. No man is entitled to a child, and no woman is obligated to provide one for someone else.

This certainly sounds like typical anti-choice rhetoric. The woman is to "blame" and therefore she must suffer consequences. I don't think a baby should be a "consequence."


So you are willing to see women die from unsafe abortions in order to reduce the number performed? That is, assuming this elaborate legal maneuver would actually reduce the number. If you reduce the number of abortions but increase the number of unwanted children, what have you gained?

Fathers simply cannot have rights at the expense of the mother.


For pregnancy and childbirth the rights and responsibilities have already been assigned. Men have no rights and responsibilities before a child is BORN.

Thinking is a good thing.

That especially true right before a woman allows a man to ejaculate into her.

Of course the ejacualting man shares n o responsiblity unless he decides that he wants to. Catus, OKgrannie, you are two wonderful voices of reason here. A woman can decide on her own what is the best choice. We don't need a court, a daddy, an uncle, brither, pastor or priest to tell us what is right for our own lives. We might seek out advice, but we can decide for ourselves. Abortion was not illegal in theis country until the late 19th century, and the reason it became illegal is that women were dying of sepsis and or being maimed. It was to protect the woman, not the fetus.

And to answer your question garysher, men and women are not reproductively equal. Never will be.

We all know that men and women are not reproductively equal. And it seems women should think a bit longer before they crack them thighs. Guys can screw their hand, each other, someone's mouth etc. It'll all end the same. If a woman wants to be the equivalent of a closest towel on the bathroom floor, they shouldn't be allowed to kill the innocent outcome of that bad decision. You just admitted they have a much higher level of responsibility in that decision.