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Old 01-12-2008, 08:52 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Not that it makes it any better, but we are not just talking about first trimester abortions. We are talking about ALL abortions, which we allow well into the 3rd, and up till recently (and soon to be over turned) they could abort at birth.
That's absurd. Women simply don't choose to have late-term abortions, they are bonded with the fetus by then, and won't have an abortion unless it is medically necessary.


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"15. When in pregnancy do most women have abortions?
  • In the United States, nearly nine in 10 abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy and 56% occur in the first eight weeks. (30) "
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Old 01-12-2008, 09:24 AM   #42 (permalink)
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No, it is YOUR assertion that pregnancy is a result of stupidity. I assert that pregnancy is a result of sex. Humans were designed to be sexual creatures, and trying to go against that design is fighting nature and has nothing to do with intelligence. Condoms are only 85% effective with normal use, that allows for a LOT of unplanned pregnancies.
Pregnancy IS the result of sex. And sex is a choice. And since you are all friggin tied up in "choice", what about THAT one. If a baby would ruin your life that much, buy a friggin vibrator.. And if you HAVE to have sex with a man, the outcome can be a baby. It's not a secret and has been the same for as long as humans have walked the earth. If you make the decision to have sex, and a baby will ruin your life, make sure you are on the pill and that you have at least the minimum intelligence to use a condom correctly.
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Pregnancy IS the result of sex. And sex is a choice. And since you are all friggin tied up in "choice", what about THAT one.
While sexual intercourse IS a choice, it is a choice that people are driven to. We were created sexual creatures, and denying that is fighting nature.


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If a baby would ruin your life that much, buy a friggin vibrator.. And if you HAVE to have sex with a man, the outcome can be a baby. It's not a secret and has been the same for as long as humans have walked the earth. If you make the decision to have sex, and a baby will ruin your life, make sure you are on the pill and that you have at least the minimum intelligence to use a condom correctly.
It's also not a secret and has been the same for as long as humans have walked the earth that women have had abortions regardless of the risks to their lives. It's also not a secret and will remain the same as long as contraception is unreliable that women will continue to have abortions regardless of the risks. Keeping abortion legal at least minimizes the risks.
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Old 01-12-2008, 01:15 PM   #44 (permalink)
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While sexual intercourse IS a choice, it is a choice that people are driven to. We were created sexual creatures, and denying that is fighting nature.

Well so is abortion. And "choosing" not to have sex doesn't result in a medical procedure that specifically ends a life.


It's also not a secret and has been the same for as long as humans have walked the earth that women have had abortions regardless of the risks to their lives. It's also not a secret and will remain the same as long as contraception is unreliable that women will continue to have abortions regardless of the risks. Keeping abortion legal at least minimizes the risks.
And as I have said many times, I agree with you there. That's why I recommend the "shame" tactic. Mother kills fetus, mother gets shamed. Still not fair, but abortion is a "F"'d up situation from the start.
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And as I have said many times, I agree with you there. That's why I recommend the "shame" tactic. Mother kills fetus, mother gets shamed. Still not fair, but abortion is a "F"'d up situation from the start.
I think it's time to shift the blame/shame load from women to men. Women have carried that load long enough, let men pick up the slack. Let men be ostracized by society for causing an unwed pregnancy.
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I think it's time to shift the blame/shame load from women to men. Women have carried that load long enough, let men pick up the slack. Let men be ostracized by society for causing an unwed pregnancy.
Got no problem with having a man be shamed as well. I'm equal opportunity on that one. But then women would open the door to men having say on whether the abortion happens in the first place. I mean, if you want to share responsibility, and women that refuse abortions want men to pay, shouldn't the man have a bit of an opinion on whether or not the product of his loins gets "offed"?
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Got no problem with having a man be shamed as well. I'm equal opportunity on that one. But then women would open the door to men having say on whether the abortion happens in the first place. I mean, if you want to share responsibility, and women that refuse abortions want men to pay, shouldn't the man have a bit of an opinion on whether or not the product of his loins gets "offed"?

I truly believe that men ought to have the right as birth fathers to contest and stop an abortion, IF he is, as a result of that action, planning to take responsibility for the baby.

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Old 01-13-2008, 06:16 AM   #48 (permalink)
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That's absurd. Women simply don't choose to have late-term abortions, they are bonded with the fetus by then, and won't have an abortion unless it is medically necessary.


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"15. When in pregnancy do most women have abortions?
  • In the United States, nearly nine in 10 abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy and 56% occur in the first eight weeks. (30) "
So what your saying to me (without even knowing it apparently) is 10% of all abortions in the US are after the first trimester. And thats IF your statistics are not exagerated. What is 10% of 1.8 million. So we are talking close to 200,000 kids. Absurd?? Absurd is thinking there are 200,000 unborn kids that MUST medicaly be aborted. In America no less.
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I truly believe that men ought to have the right as birth fathers to contest and stop an abortion, IF he is, as a result of that action, planning to take responsibility for the baby.

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How many fathers out there have wanted the child while it's still gestating, and then discovered that fatherhood isn't the fun and games they expected and decided to 'exit stage left'. How are you going to insure that this doesn't happen?

Secondly, if the father can force the mother to continue the pregnancy, can she hold him responsible for any adverse effects on her? Can she force him to pay for plastic surgery to return her body to a pre pregnancy state?

How much control does he get? if he can force her not to abort, can he force her not to drink? Smoke? Eat junk food? Take medication that's contraindicated during a pregnancy? Go scuba diving?

Questions like these, and the fact that forcing someone into involuntary servitude is against the constitution, is why men will never have that right unless he is the husband, and she is in a coma.
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So what your saying to me (without even knowing it apparently) is 10% of all abortions in the US are after the first trimester. And thats IF your statistics are not exagerated. What is 10% of 1.8 million. So we are talking close to 200,000 kids. Absurd?? Absurd is thinking there are 200,000 unborn kids that MUST medicaly be aborted. In America no less.
Grace, Grace, Grace, "late-term abortions" are 3rd trimester and they are medically indicated. 90% of abortions occur in the 1st trimester. A few elective abortions occur in the 2nd trimester for reasons such as the woman didn't know she was pregnant, she couldn't raise the money to pay for the abortion, medical reasons, etc. BTW, I believe your 1.8 million figure is a bit off, statistics I have seen estimate possibly as high as 1.3 million, but more likely less.
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