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Old 01-13-2008, 09:45 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I truly believe that men ought to have the right as birth fathers to contest and stop an abortion, IF he is, as a result of that action, planning to take responsibility for the baby.

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Men can have that right when they have the medical technology to transfer the zef to the man to continue gestation. A woman should NEVER be forced to continue pregnancy/childbirth because someone else wants a baby.
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Grace, Grace, Grace, "late-term abortions" are 3rd trimester and they are medically indicated. 90% of abortions occur in the 1st trimester. A few elective abortions occur in the 2nd trimester for reasons such as the woman didn't know she was pregnant, she couldn't raise the money to pay for the abortion, medical reasons, etc. BTW, I believe your 1.8 million figure is a bit off, statistics I have seen estimate possibly as high as 1.3 million, but more likely less.
Not all post first trimester abortions are due to problems with the fetus either. Some are due to problems that have shown up in the mother causing continuing the pregnancy to be dangerous to her.
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How many fathers out there have wanted the child while it's still gestating, and then discovered that fatherhood isn't the fun and games they expected and decided to 'exit stage left'. How are you going to insure that this doesn't happen?

Secondly, if the father can force the mother to continue the pregnancy, can she hold him responsible for any adverse effects on her? Can she force him to pay for plastic surgery to return her body to a pre pregnancy state?

How much control does he get? if he can force her not to abort, can he force her not to drink? Smoke? Eat junk food? Take medication that's contraindicated during a pregnancy? Go scuba diving?

Questions like these, and the fact that forcing someone into involuntary servitude is against the constitution, is why men will never have that right unless he is the husband, and she is in a coma.
Well if a father has no say in the abortion, then the mother that decides to keep the baby shouldn't have the right to keep dragging a man to court up until the baby turns 18. That's bullshit too. If a woman can garnish wages, then the man who wants to keep his progeny should be able to garnish a uterus. If women want soo dang much control, then they have to take it all or STFU.
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Well if a father has no say in the abortion, then the mother that decides to keep the baby shouldn't have the right to keep dragging a man to court up until the baby turns 18. That's bullshit too. If a woman can garnish wages, then the man who wants to keep his progeny should be able to garnish a uterus. If women want soo dang much control, then they have to take it all or STFU.
I am with you on that, Fx.

A woman shouldn't be allowed to weigh her options and count the cost as well as what all she will get in ways of assistance and then take from the man, his responsibly given support...if she can also choose instead to abort the child without it being a mutual decision.

There is one glitch to that though...when the woman does not know who the father is. And that since paternity tests are rarely done in utero .

But the truth is, now women can even be married to the birth father and get an abortion without the husband/father's knowledge or consent.

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Well if a father has no say in the abortion, then the mother that decides to keep the baby shouldn't have the right to keep dragging a man to court up until the baby turns 18. That's bullshit too. If a woman can garnish wages, then the man who wants to keep his progeny should be able to garnish a uterus. If women want soo dang much control, then they have to take it all or STFU.
Sorry Fx, but society disagrees with you.

Men know that they are taking a chance on paying child support when they have sex. They are fully aware that they are placing that decision completely in the hands of the woman.

If they don't like it, they can keep their pants zipped.
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Sorry Fx, but society disagrees with you.

Men know that they are taking a chance on paying child support when they have sex. They are fully aware that they are placing that decision completely in the hands of the woman.

If they don't like it, they can keep their pants zipped.
Wow, that sounds like the same advice I would give a woman that only wants to be used as a sperm dump, but doesn't want to accept responsibility for the consequences.
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Wow, that sounds like the same advice I would give a woman that only wants to be used as a sperm dump, but doesn't want to accept responsibility for the consequences.
The difference there is, that the woman is able to do something about it. The man isn't.


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...(clears throat and raises hand to speak)...

Ummm, I know not all my posts are worth commenting on. Still, I am really wondering how it is that the sex act is not viewed by the pro-choice side of the debate as sharing equally in the prior decision and the resulting responsibility should a pregnancy occur?

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...(clears throat and raises hand to speak)...

Ummm, I know not all my posts are worth commenting on. Still, I am really wondering how it is that the sex act is not viewed by the pro-choice side of the debate as sharing equally in the prior decision and the resulting responsibility should a pregnancy occur?

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Because the woman faces 100% of the risks and burden of pregnancy. The man faces 0%
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Because the woman faces 100% of the risks and burden of pregnancy. The man faces 0%
True, however she knew that beforehand too.

And once there is a pregnancy, her first choice made to have sex, means at least that she discuss the options with the father.

You know if the woman opts to continue the pregnancy and yet put the baby up for adoption, then the father is suppose to have the right to adopt.

It is not right that the father does not have any say whether or not HIS CHILD gets to be born. Not if he is willing to take full responsibility for the child, custody, etc. if the woman is reluctant.

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