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Old 01-27-2008, 10:26 AM   #121 (permalink)
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You would think that swallowing a pill wouldn't be too difficult to "educate" these middle class girls to do. Quite frankly, with the exception of a few isolated cases, there is no excuse for unwanted teenage pregnancy whatsoever.
A friend of mines daughter got pregnant at 15. Her mother knew she was having sex, but refused to allow her to get the pill because it would just 'encourage' her. After the first child was born, she wouldn't allow her the pill because she 'had learned her lesson'. By 22 the girl had had 3 children. Guess who is stuck raising them and damned unhappy about it. Yup, grandma.

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Old 01-27-2008, 10:31 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Simple, the guy should have the option of washing his hands of the whole thing, within a reasonable time frame. That should help her maker her "choice".
So fathers should have the right to stick society with the cost of raising their children?

I must admit, back when my daughter was born, and money was tight, it would have been nice if my husband could have 'opted out' and got us a check to help out every month.

Sarcasm aside, if the father has the right to 'opt out' simply because he had no choice, why the hell should society be stuck with the tab? Society didn't get to choose either.
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:31 AM   #123 (permalink)
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A friend of mines daughter got pregnant at 15. Her mother knew she was having sex, but refused to allow her to get the pill because it would just 'encourage' her. After the first child was born, she wouldn't allow her the pill because she 'had learned her lesson'. By 22 the girl had had 3 children. Guess who is stuck raising them and damned unhappy about it. Yup, grandma.


Maybe her mother should have been a better parent to begin with , and taught her daughter some basic morals. Where was her father??? That will probably tell the whole tail.
Old 01-27-2008, 10:34 AM   #124 (permalink)
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CF, I commend you truly for your caring heart.

I do not believe many who "extol" choice are as caring as you, just like not so many who preach the woes of abortion are truly caring either.

There is a lot of self-righteousness on both sides.

It's ugly when something personal and hurtful to many is made a political issue.

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I don't know how to truly quantify "many."

In real life, I have never met a strongly pro-choice person who was not truly caring. And, insofar as I can truly know the pro-choice people that I "meet" on the Net, I have never met such a person online either.

I have, on the other hand, encountered plenty of moralists, both online and in real life who do not give a rat's ass about the people affected by their moralizing. They just want to force other people to live by their morals and the consequences are not their problem.
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So fathers should have the right to stick society with the cost of raising their children?
No, I dont think anyone should have any right to opt out of anything. But if we are talking equal rights, then yes. The mother has the same right.
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I must admit, back when my daughter was born, and money was tight, it would have been nice if my husband could have 'opted out' and got us a check to help out every month.

Sarcasm aside, if the father has the right to 'opt out' simply because he had no choice, why the hell should society be stuck with the tab? Society didn't get to choose either.
It was her choice to raise the child knowing there is no father, let her deal with it on her own. Remember, she holds all the cards, an can decide to abort with the information she has.


But my point has nothing to do with any of this. Im totaly against abortion. It just seems to me that to many women spitfully have children with men they know dont want the child to force them to pay. And if she has a way out of that, then he should to. That is equal.
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1987-1990 APA Task Force Review

When Koop was assigned to review information on abortion, he invited input from any individuals and organizations with material to present."[16][14] The American Psychological Association Division on Population and Environmental Psychology prepared and presented to Koop their own summary of the literature and recommendations for his report. After Koop refused to issue the findings, division members published a synthesis of their own findings in which they concluded that "Case studies have established that some women experience severe distress or psychopathology after abortion" but "severe negative reactions are infrequent in the immediate and short-term aftermath, particularly for first-trimester abortions. Women who are terminating pregnancies that are wanted and personally meaningful, who lack support from their partner or parents for the abortion, or who have more conflicting feelings or are less sure of their decision before hand may be a relatively higher risk for negative consequences." [14]
The task force further concluded that "research with diverse samples, different measures of response, and different times of assessment have come to similar conclusions. The time of greatest distress is likely to be before the abortion. Severe negative reactions after abortions are rare and can best be understood in the framework of coping with normal life stress," and that "The weight of the evidence does not pose a psychological hazard for most women." [14]
Nancy Adler, professor of psychology at the University of California, San Francisco, has testified on behalf of the APA that "severe negative reactions are rare and are in line with those following other normal life stresses."[18]
In 2007, APA established a new task force to review studies on abortion published since 1989. The new task force report is expected to be published in 2008.[19]

[edit] Journal of the American Medical Association

Psychiatrist Nada Stotland of the University of Chicago, current president of the American Psychiatric Association, argued in a 1992 commentary published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): "There is no evidence of an abortion-trauma syndrome.”[10] In 2003, Stotland wrote, "Currently, there are active attempts to convince the public and women considering abortion that abortion frequently has negative psychiatric consequences. This assertion is not borne out by the literature: the vast majority of women tolerate abortion without psychiatric sequelae."[8]


I know that anti choicer's would like to believe that women who abort suffer horribly for it, but it's just not true.
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Maybe her mother should have been a better parent to begin with , and taught her daughter some basic morals. Where was her father??? That will probably tell the whole tail.
Her father was off making babies with his new wife.


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Old 01-27-2008, 10:41 AM   #128 (permalink)
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No, I dont think anyone should have any right to opt out of anything. But if we are talking equal rights, then yes. The mother has the same right.


It was her choice to raise the child knowing there is no father, let her deal with it on her own. Remember, she holds all the cards, an can decide to abort with the information she has.


But my point has nothing to do with any of this. Im totaly against abortion. It just seems to me that to many women spitfully have children with men they know dont want the child to force them to pay. And if she has a way out of that, then he should to. That is equal.
If you are 'totally against abortion' why are you so strongly championing a cause that will result in many more abortions?
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You would think that swallowing a pill wouldn't be too difficult to "educate" these middle class girls to do. Quite frankly, with the exception of a few isolated cases, there is no excuse for unwanted teenage pregnancy whatsoever.
One more time: Birth control fails.

In the Know: Questions About Pregnancy, Contraception and Abortion% women who will become pregnant in their first year of useMethod Perfect use 0.3(11) Typical use 8.0(11,12)Pill

Since the pill seems to be your choice, please note that with typical use, 8 out of 100 will get pregnant EACH YEAR. Even with PERFECT use, one out of 300 will get pregnant each year (I personally think that estimate is too low).

The US population is 300 million, half of those are female, 150 million. At least one-third, maybe closer to one-half of those females are in their child-bearing years. Since not all women in the childbearing years are sexually active, let's estimate 50 million women in their childbearing years, even if all of them were on the pill, typical use would result in 4 million pregnancies.
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:54 AM   #130 (permalink)
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If you are 'totally against abortion' why are you so strongly championing a cause that will result in many more abortions?

Just to show the hypocracy of you people toting "equal rights" There is nothing equal about it.
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