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Old 01-27-2008, 10:54 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Just to show the hypocracy of you people toting "equal rights" There is nothing equal about it.
We're not toting 'equal rights'. Your side is the one who keeps screaming about 'equal rights'. Abortion has nothing to do with 'equal rights'. It has to do with not allowing the government to make personal medical decisions for women.


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I don't know how to truly quantify "many."

In real life, I have never met a strongly pro-choice person who was not truly caring. And, insofar as I can truly know the pro-choice people that I "meet" on the Net, I have never met such a person online either.

I have, on the other hand, encountered plenty of moralists, both online and in real life who do not give a rat's ass about the people affected by their moralizing. They just want to force other people to live by their morals and the consequences are not their problem.
That is true, CF. it seems that people with their morals are often cast as uncaring and self-righteous. Same as people with their knowledge are often cast as know-it-alls who are also self-satisfied.

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1987-1990 APA Task Force Review

When Koop was assigned to review information on abortion, he invited input from any individuals and organizations with material to present."[16][14] The American Psychological Association Division on Population and Environmental Psychology prepared and presented to Koop their own summary of the literature and recommendations for his report. After Koop refused to issue the findings, division members published a synthesis of their own findings in which they concluded that "Case studies have established that some women experience severe distress or psychopathology after abortion" but "severe negative reactions are infrequent in the immediate and short-term aftermath, particularly for first-trimester abortions. Women who are terminating pregnancies that are wanted and personally meaningful, who lack support from their partner or parents for the abortion, or who have more conflicting feelings or are less sure of their decision before hand may be a relatively higher risk for negative consequences." [14]
The task force further concluded that "research with diverse samples, different measures of response, and different times of assessment have come to similar conclusions. The time of greatest distress is likely to be before the abortion. Severe negative reactions after abortions are rare and can best be understood in the framework of coping with normal life stress," and that "The weight of the evidence does not pose a psychological hazard for most women." [14]
Nancy Adler, professor of psychology at the University of California, San Francisco, has testified on behalf of the APA that "severe negative reactions are rare and are in line with those following other normal life stresses."[18]
In 2007, APA established a new task force to review studies on abortion published since 1989. The new task force report is expected to be published in 2008.[19]

[edit] Journal of the American Medical Association

Psychiatrist Nada Stotland of the University of Chicago, current president of the American Psychiatric Association, argued in a 1992 commentary published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): "There is no evidence of an abortion-trauma syndrome.”[10] In 2003, Stotland wrote, "Currently, there are active attempts to convince the public and women considering abortion that abortion frequently has negative psychiatric consequences. This assertion is not borne out by the literature: the vast majority of women tolerate abortion without psychiatric sequelae."[8]


I know that anti choicer's would like to believe that women who abort suffer horribly for it, but it's just not true.
I know for a fact they do, I literaly know of hundreds. I have NEVER meet a women who has had a abortion (for the first time) who hasnt been a total basket case for some time after. This crap is written by Doctors to stand to lose millions of dollars should they tell women that it will hurt them mentaly. Its not what I believe, its what I have seen first hand, SEVERAL times.
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Out of curiosity Catus...

Should someone be allowed by the government to commit suicide ?

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We're not toting 'equal rights'. Your side is the one who keeps screaming about 'equal rights'. Abortion has nothing to do with 'equal rights'. It has to do with not allowing the government to make personal medical decisions for women.


It isnt a personal medical decision. It effects all kinds of people from the father, to his family, to the child him/her self. If its so personal, why do so many people get hurt??
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I know for a fact they do, I literaly know of hundreds. I have NEVER meet a women who has had a abortion (for the first time) who hasnt been a total basket case for some time after. This crap is written by Doctors to stand to lose millions of dollars should they tell women that it will hurt them mentaly. Its not what I believe, its what I have seen first hand, SEVERAL times.
I've escorted over 80 women to the clinic. The only one who had any kind of 'post abortion emotional trauma' was a melodramatic teenage drama queen who could get emotionally devastated by a broken fingernail.



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I've escorted over 80 women to the clinic. The only one who had any kind of 'post abortion emotional trauma' was a melodramatic teenage drama queen who could get emotionally devastated by a broken fingernail.


Spend any time with them after, say the next 3 months after? And how many of them were going on round 2?
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Out of curiosity Catus...

Should someone be allowed by the government to commit suicide ?

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That would depend on the circumstances. It's generally accepted that someone who wishes to kill themselves isn't 'in their right mind', and needs to be protected from themselves.

I do feel that in cases of terminal illness, human beings should have the right to die with dignity.

I watched my father in law die from cancer. What that disease did to that proud man was inhuman. Before he died I was against physician assisted suicide because of the risks. After, I wasn't.

Six years after he died, I faced my own battle with cancer. The possibility of dying the way he did simply was not an option. I decided that if it came down to it, my husband and I would take a trip to Europe, and I would come back in a box.
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It isnt a personal medical decision. It effects all kinds of people from the father, to his family, to the child him/her self. If its so personal, why do so many people get hurt??
A great many decisions made by one person, have 'effects' on others. Should we force women to take a vote before putting her children in day care so that she can finish her college degree?

BTW, in many cases the woman is the only one who knows about it. That said, how can it effect the father and the 'family'?
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