Originally Posted by waitingtables
There are innocents being murdered everyday in Iraq, piad for with your tax dollars. I don't hear the protests from you about that.

Well I dont think that would be called for here in the ABORTION sec of this MB.

I don't see you posting about it anywhere.

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I was making a point about God and how many innocents he directed his people to kill in his name. I'm only referring to the Bible, not what people have done in his name in later years. He had no problem with the murder of innocents.
Is that really your justification to murder? If thats the case, and you want to play God, why only the unborn? You can kill anyone you wanted.

No, it's my pointing out that the God you quote so frequently had no problem murdering innocents. It's all over the Old Testament.

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I am not the brainwashed one here.
Well it surly isnt I who had to be reeducated by the millions spent by folks like PP. If this "right" was so obvious why all the need for advertisment?

I haven't been brainwashed by anything except the foundation of a country where relgious beliefs aren't automatically made into laws. That is what America is, if you don't like our system, you are free to leave.

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I don't need to quote scripture to back up my opinions.
Me either, I just really like to.

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And for a woman to have equal staus means murder?
No. Abortion means murder. And equal status???? Who the hell do you think your kidding? Tell that to the piles of MILLIONS of dead babies. Where is there equal status???? What if your mother decided to kill you???Think about it.

Piles of dead babies? That is an exaggeration, embryos and first trimester fetuses are not formed babies, they are potential babies. Now piles of dead from the death penaly and war are no problem though, right?

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That's ridiculous. And I find your version of Christianity to be the very kind that ignores the teachings of Jesus.
REALLY???? Please, do tell. I would love for someone to justify the deaths of millions apon millions of his innocent children through his teachings. I cant wait to hear this.

I would love to hear how you can be a Christian, and ignore his teachings? You are very judgemental, and possibly vengeful.


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You seem very judgemental and angry. Is this what Jesus would do?
Thats offten the reaction of people when faced with the truth. Im not angery or jugdmental, the word of God is. Dont confuss the message with the messanger. BTW you will find out soon enough what Jesus "would do". And I dont think your going to like it.

Proof of my above point.

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Maybe you should repent.

I do. Everyday. But it isnt me with the blood of the innocent on my hands.

Do you pay taxes here? Then you have innocent blood on your hands.

Is it really that hard to use the quote feature?

I don't see you posting about it anywhere.

So what?? You dont see me posting anything about Hitler either, doesnt mean I dont have a strong opinion.

No, it's my pointing out that the God you quote so frequently had no problem murdering innocents. It's all over the Old Testament.

I know what your point was. You try to justify the murder of countless incents cause God at one time killed people. Like I said, if you want to play God, why stop there? You could start with us fumdamentals. That would make the world a better place, right?

I haven't been brainwashed by anything except the foundation of a country where relgious beliefs aren't automatically made into laws. That is what America is, if you don't like our system, you are free to leave.

The foundation of this country had NOTHING to do with abortion. If the founding fathers saw what went on today they would be rolling over in there graves. BTW, thats the great thing about America, If I dont like something, I dont run, I try to change it. Thats whats great about a democracy.

Piles of dead babies? That is an exaggeration, embryos and first trimester fetuses are not formed babies, they are potential babies. Now piles of dead from the death penaly and war are no problem though, right?

What country do you live in??? Cause here in America you can abort well ino the third trimester. I know where to get some pretty graphic video's if you dont believe me.

I dont believe I have discussed with you my feelings tward war, so enough with the assumptions hu?

I would love to hear how you can be a Christian, and ignore his teachings? You are very judgemental, and possibly vengeful.

I dont know what teachings your talking about that I am in violation of. You dont think Jesus is for the protection of human life????? You dont think Jesus would want us to stand up for the rights of the most innocent among us??? If me calling ripping a living child out of a mothers womb Limb from limb wrong makes me judgmental, then so be it.

BTW HYPERPOLE. Vengeful???? Vengance belongs to the Lord.

Again, show me where Jesus teaches it ok to murder children, in the womb or not. I'll still be waiting. I got a feeling for a long time.


Proof of my above point.

Jesus talked more about the dangers of hell, than he talked about heaven. Your problem is with him, not me.

Do you pay taxes here? Then you have innocent blood on your hands.

Im just not even going to respond to such foolishness.

Why not? It is only foolish because you don't agree. I am pointing out that you don't sound like a Christian when you are telling people not to hold their breath when God gives out mercy. And calling people murderers isn't very understanding or forgiving.

Please provide the statistics to back that up, but don't include the stats that show it was done to protect the life of the mother.

You may consider a mass of cells without a developed central nervous system a child, but I don't.
And you are free to do whatever you are morally inclined to do, but you do have blood on your hands when you live in a country that is at war. Or if you belive in the death penalty. Jesus wouldn't murder children, and neither would I. But what a person does with their body is between the person and their doctor. It is that person's job to worry about their souls, not you or the government. Your religious beliefs have no place in my doctor's office.

I did not vote for him either!

And though it is hers to disclose, I am just gonna betcha that Grace DID vote for him. Still, you are talking about taxes, not votes. That which we are responsible to do, whether we agree with how the monies are spent by the government or not.

The only way to know that our finances are not being used on programs and actions that we disagree with is to give up our citizenship or stop working!

And you know, your taxes go toward the war that we do so vehemently oppose.

All I am saying WT, I don't believe that we can own innocent blood on our hands because we are obliged to paying taxes. So much for democracy, huh?

OhDear

The merits of Roe V Wade, hmmm well there are none. I am tired of hearing about a woman's reporductive rights. What a load of crap!!!!!!!

Fact number one: Procreation for the human species is accomplished through sexual intercourse. For those of you who do not understand big words, that means SEX can cause pregnancy!!!!! If you do not want an unintended pregnancy do not have sex. If you willing have sex you have no right to claim you are having an unintended pregnancy. None whatsoever, for the simple fact that by your consent to have sex you accepted the risk and possibiliity of pregnancy. If you don't want to become pregnant, then quite simply don't have sex.

Freakonomics attempt to correllate dropping crime rates with abortion cannot be proved. This is the exact opposite argument from those who oppose abortion who claim how do we know that the creator for the cure for aids, cancer, or whatever other disease might have been aborted!!! We cannot prove either to be true.

I know this simple fact, once upon a time people celebrated the decision in Dred Scot, but ultimately it to was overturned!!!!! Over the past 15 years the number of people who are pro-life has increased by around 13% from 36% to 49%, whereas the number of pro-choice people have dropped from 57% to 46%. According to Pew Research, today the most pro-life group of individuals in this country are under the age of 30. Perhaps considering the fact that many of those are post-Roe babies that fact may not be so remarkable after all.

The one fact remains, ask any legal scholar, and they will all tell you the same, Roe is bad consitutional law, because the decision did not rely on the Constitution.

dmk

Sarge,

Perhaps you skimmed that article, the "freakonomics" one. If you read it thoroughly, you will see that the writer goes further, and does not conclude that the crime rate among youth has declined because abortion has brought about a decline in unwanted children, thus there are less children that would resort to crime from the anti-spirtation of being neglected, abused, unloved...

And as cited in your post, the numbers of those who are pro-life, crossing over from the pro-choice side of the issue has increased. I am just one such example. And here on the forum, can anyone claim to have been pro-life at the onset of their membership to this community and yet changing to be pro-life now?

OhDear

Maybe you should trying being a woman first, sgt. You cannot judge someone who is in a situation that you will never be in. Babies should be born because they are wanted, not as punishment for irresponsibility.

The Dred Scott decision found that segregation was Constitutional, Roe found that states were infringing on a woman's fundamental rights by making abortion illegal. There is quite a difference there. And at the time of the Constitutions writing, women did not have any rights at all, so not everything in it would address today's issues. And though eventually the court came around and found that segregation was unconstitutional, it took a while. Roe has been here for 35 years and the statistics show that over 50% of American's are pro-choice. As far as I'm concerned, it's settled law.

WT,

I put in bold highlight a conclusion you have made to demonstrate why you believe in the choice for women. But you fail to accomodate that same thought of freedom for men. Let's try it on here:
Men should not be punished for irresponsibility then either. And if the woman chooses to keep the pregnancy, have the baby, why is the man punished for his irresponsible sex by having to give support to that child? Should he not have the same freedom of choice and thus the baby, if not wanted is not his 'punishment" either?

OhDear