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Old 02-11-2008, 02:44 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Wrong Gary, pedophiles prey on children. Gay people have sex and two adults consent to it. And what are you basing your definition of deviant on? Because some define oral sex as deviant, some define anal sex as deviant, etc. Whatever feels good to someone as long as the other person is into it, it's fine. I would define it as someone who would have sex with you!
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:57 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Wrong Gary, pedophiles prey on children. Gay people have sex and two adults consent to it.

You are introducing the notion of "consent" as a silver bullet to sidestep any moral issues.

Like a lot of people I believe pedophilia and homosexuality are both immoral behaviours.







And what are you basing your definition of deviant on? Because some define oral sex as deviant, some define anal sex as deviant, etc. Whatever feels good to someone as long as the other person is into it, it's fine. I would define it as someone who would have sex with you!
That would make a lot of women deviant by your definition !!
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You are introducing the notion of "consent" as a silver bullet to sidestep any moral issues.

Like a lot of people I believe pedophilia and homosexuality are both immoral behaviours


You are free to believe what you want, but you aren't free to force that belief on others. And if it's something you find immoral, then you shouldn't behave in that manner. See how easy that is? Case closed. Consent defines whether or not something is legal. And homosexuality is legal, having sex with children, not so much.
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You are free to believe what you want, but you aren't free to force that belief on others. And if it's something you find immoral, then you shouldn't behave in that manner. See how easy that is? Case closed. Consent defines whether or not something is legal. And homosexuality is legal, having sex with children, not so much.
Consent doesn't always equate to legality, take prostitution, alcohol consumption, public nudity and gambling for example.

You are trying to force your beliefs about the silver bullet of "consent" on to the rest of us!

If you don't want to gamble or be a prostitute you don't have to - see how easy that is?
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Hey, I have no problem with legalising prostitution. And I don't care about gambling either. Having sex with kids is something I don't think we will ever legalise, thank goodness. But if enough people believed it was okay, I'm sure they could get some law passed somewhere allowing it. Are you okay with laws being passed that restrict the kind of sex you have with your wife? And public nudity isn't something that two adults consent to. I can't smoke a joint legally with my consenting friend, because it's illegal. Homosexuality isn't illegal. And when we use the word consent in sexual situations, it does equate to legality.

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Old 02-11-2008, 03:52 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Hey, I have no problem with legalising prostitution. And I don't care about gambling either. Having sex with kids is something I don't think we will ever legalise, thank goodness. But if enough people believed it was okay, I'm sure they could get some law passed somewhere allowing it. Are you okay with laws being passed that restrict the kind of sex you have with your wife? And public nudity isn't something that two adults consent to. I can't smoke a joint legally with my consenting friend, because it's illegal. Homosexuality isn't illegal. And when we use the word consent in sexual situations, it does equate to legality.

How many more special criteria do you need to build in to make your leaky case hold water?
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"Like a lot of people I believe pedophilia and homosexuality are both immoral behaviours"

Maybe you believe that but there are degrees of what is morality.

Don't be so ignorant as to but pedophilia and homosexuality in the same degree of evil. Moving along...

I believe that a 6 week old fetus has about as much right to life as a parasite does feasting on the blood of a cow. That is my morality system. Now people may disagree. People will always clash agaisnt others for moral values. BUT I'm sure we can all agree that for something like a fetus... the right to life is up in the air. So much so that in fact... it is a personal choice. To believe or not to believe these tiny pieces of flesh and tissue should be deemed a person. Many opinions on both sides are worthy and this issue has seemed to split countries in half with arguements.

I think there is a metaphor here though that can shed some light on why we should all be pro-choice.

I do not believe in God. Some Christians argue that when I raise my children I will be bias and damn their souls. Killing their spirits ect...

These innocent children don't have a say in what I will teach them or have any .... brain power to argue me in the fact. So my children will grow up ... ungodly ..... doomed from birth .

But it is my choice and although others may say... that's not fair! Let me ask you this... don't you do the same thing. Why we don't all give our kids up to hindus, muslims, christians, is because of our different views of what life is... what saves lifes.... what takes them away. Because of this we just let the parent decide.

And just for kicks, is sperm life? If so I must kill millions of innocent children a day.
What is the difference in intelligence between a sperm and a fetus...
I can't see much.
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You are free to believe what you want, but you aren't free to force that belief on others. And if it's something you find immoral, then you shouldn't behave in that manner. See how easy that is? Case closed. Consent defines whether or not something is legal. And homosexuality is legal, having sex with children, not so much.
If having sex with children was the silver bullet that you claim it is, then there would be a crime when they have sex with each other. Two 12 year olds having "consentual" sex face no charges. The laws are in place to protect children from predators. That makes perfect sense. But as Dr. Green pointed out, "consent" has nothing to do with science.

I don't care if people consent to smearing fecal material on each other, that is some sick crap. It shouldn't be made illegal, but we shouldn't have friggin "Poop Smearing Pride Parades" either.
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I don't care if people consent to smearing fecal material on each other, that is some sick crap. It shouldn't be made illegal, but we shouldn't have friggin "Poop Smearing Pride Parades" either.

How do you feel about balloon poppers parades??
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How do you feel about balloon poppers parades??
Wouldn't catch me in one. Plus balloons, parades, and women go hand in hand. So nearly every parade is a looner's fantasy.

I seriously doubt that there's gonna be a Looner's Pride Parade.

San Francisco has its own version of the Love Parade though. It has all kindsa kinkiness going on.
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