You say that there is more than allegorical evidence that he existed? Fill me in please, this is news to me.

I would be very interested in seeing that evidence myself! I haven't heard of it before now.

WOW. Ok, Im moving on, I cant possibly deal with such willful ignorance, and blantent twisting of proven history.

Of course you would assume that, even though I have said directly otherwise.

Grace, how far back in history are you talking about? We are talking about the crusades, aren't we? The blatant twisting isn't being done by me.

Here is a snippet from about.com on the crusades:


Understanding the Crusades requires understanding that, contrary to traditional stereotypes, they weren't simply an aggressive military campaign against Muslim lands, nor were they merely a defensive military campaign against Muslims on the Iberian peninsula and in the Mediterranean. The Crusades, all of them, were in the first place an attempt to impose orthodox Christianity via military force across a wide swath of territory, and second, the product of Christian contact with a militarily powerful, culturally self-confident, and economically expansionistic religious civilization.
The Crusades, but especially the "true" Crusades launched against Islam in the Middle East, are arguably the most important aspect of the Middle Ages. It was here that medieval warfare, art, politics, trade, religion, and ideals about chivalry all came together. Europe entered the crusading age as one type of society but left it transformed in vital ways which were not always immediately obvious, but which nevertheless contained the seeds of change which continue to impact European and world affairs today. Furthermore, the Crusades also fundamentally altered the relationship between Christianity and Islam. Although they constituted a decisive military "win" for Islam, the image of barbaric Christian Crusaders continues to haunt Arab Muslim perspectives of Europe and Christianity, especially when combined with the more recent history of European colonialism in the Middle East. It is curious that an ostensibly Islamic military and political triumph could be transformed into a touchstone of Islamic defeat and despair.

I listened to this broadcast on WARV. The woman who took the call is an absolute moron. That's not my beef with Planned Parenthood though. Partial birth abortion is one, as you have a fully developed child that could likely survive outside of the mother with the modern medical technology we have for premature babies, and the non-informing of parents of a medical procedure their child is undergoing is another. You have to sign permission wavers to give kids aspirin in school or even cough drops, but a surgical procedure with potential permanent risks, both physical and psychological, is okay to do without a parent knowing about it. Bullshit. I'm sure there are special cases such as incestual rape or rape, but there has to be some sort of limitation.

Where did you get this from? Ask a muslim.com?

PP was founded by unegenics(sp?)

I heard that, and if it's true that's sick.