Let god be thy judge - Page 3

knot_e_lady · 03-18-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

That their child decided that it was worth the risks to terminate her pregnancy. What do you tell the parent's of a child who dies from a tonsillectomy? Well, life sure sucks when you get a lot of sore throats? What will the child's life be like if she is forced by her parents to have a baby? You know, not all parents are good parents. And sometimes, unfortunately,teenage kids know better then their parents do.

There is more of a chance of dying from a complication of pregnancy then from complications of abortion.

Grace · 03-18-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

What about the girl whose father is the one who impregnated her? Should she be forced to get his approval and consent for a termination? And don't act like that hasn't happened, it has, many times, unfortunately. What then?

Well that is a whole different ball park, in which the laws of the land would confront such a monster. Should she be able to just have a abortion with no one knowing the father impregnated her? Allowing that will only protect HIM.

Catus Felidae · 03-18-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

Just another thing to note. A child cant walk into a emergency room to get treatment without parental consent.

they can if it's an emergency.

A Child cannot sign a legaly binding contract of any kind. Are we really willing to let children decide on there own, with out even notifiying the parent, that they are in need of a abortion??

Yes.

If we are ready to give children such freedom, then we need to rewrite many laws regarding the restrictions we place on children. I also see this as giving a child a license to have sex, without consiquence.

Um grace? The pregnant girls are ALREADY having sex. Permission be damned!

Are these the morals that we wish to instill in our children??

You can only go so far in instilling morals into your children. Sooner or later they begin to make their own decisions. BTW.....what the hell is so damn 'moral' about putting a child in a situation where they cannot receive necessary medical care?

knot_e_lady · 03-18-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bfrazz1

Well I have children and I agree with the doctrine of allowing teens to choose abortion without having parental consent. And the thought does not make me vomit. I recognize the fact that in some families the teen would be forced to take the pregnancy to term, and in many cases the parents might force two kids to marry, or in some cases it could lead to abuse of the child. It's the young lady's choice in my opinion and modern medicine provides a safe and effective solution should that be the child's choice.

Unfortunately, abstinence is a difficult concept to reconcile with a hormone driven child - it rarely works, as I've seen teens who've taken an abstinence vow break it all too often and even have to resort to abortion to resolve a difficult dilemma.

I don't have girls, I have boys, and my take on it is this:

If the girl has a good open healthy relationship with her parents, she'll tell them, anyway. If she's afraid of her parents, of what they will do, she shouldn't be forced to stay pregnant because she has asshole parents.

Grace · 03-18-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

I have two children and would much rather my daughter got a safe legal abortion without my knowledge than have to resort to an unsafe one.

Any parent who puts their daughters well being above their own need for control, would feel the same.

We arent talking about abortion being legal, we are talking about the right of the parent to at least know. What gives the state, the goverment, or PP, the right to influance your child in such a decision over your influance?? It doesnt, nor should it ever. We are talking basic human rights to raise our children how we see fit.

knot_e_lady · 03-18-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

We arent talking about abortion being legal, we are talking about the right of the parent to at least know. What gives the state, the goverment, or PP, the right to influance your child in such a decision over your influance?? It doesnt, nor should it ever. We are talking basic human rights to raise our children how we see fit.

If a parent doesn't have a good, working relationship with their daughter by the time they COULD get pregnant........

Catus Felidae · 03-18-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

We arent talking about abortion being legal, we are talking about the right of the parent to at least know. What gives the state, the goverment, or PP, the right to influance your child in such a decision over your influance?? It doesnt, nor should it ever. We are talking basic human rights to raise our children how we see fit.

What gives the state the right to allow your child an abortion without your knowledge? That's easy. Your child's well being.

There are many areas where parents don't have the right to raise their child as they see fit. They don't have the right to refuse to educate their child if they see fit. They don't have the right to beat their child daily if they see fit. They don't have the right to allow their child to die from a treatable disease if they see fit. And they don't have the right to force their child to gestate if they see fit.

Grace · 03-18-2008, 11:32 AM

Just another thing to note. A child cant walk into a emergency room to get treatment without parental consent.

they can if it's an emergency.

A Child cannot sign a legaly binding contract of any kind. Are we really willing to let children decide on there own, with out even notifiying the parent, that they are in need of a abortion??

Yes.Not in NY they cant. I bled for 2 hours while my Grandmother tryed to contact my parents for consent. That was awhile ago, but I dont think anything has changed since then.

If we are ready to give children such freedom, then we need to rewrite many laws regarding the restrictions we place on children. I also see this as giving a child a license to have sex, without consiquence.

Um grace? The pregnant girls are ALREADY having sex. Permission be damned!There are girls who are not having sex, hat could very easy be influanced, knowing there would be no consiquence(sp?)

Catus Felidae · 03-18-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

.Not in NY they cant. I bled for 2 hours while my Grandmother tryed to contact my parents for consent. That was awhile ago, but I dont think anything has changed since then.

I'm guessing that since you are posting here, you are still alive. Therefore, you're situation wasn't an 'emergency'.

There are girls who are not having sex, hat could very easy be influanced, knowing there would be no consiquence(sp?)

Teenage girls didn't get pregnant before Roe?

Grace · 03-18-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

What gives the state the right to allow your child an abortion without your knowledge? That's easy. Your child's well being.

There well being???? My God. You should move to China.

There are many areas where parents don't have the right to raise their child as they see fit. They don't have the right to refuse to educate their child if they see fit.
But they do have the right to educate the child the way they see fit (for now)

They don't have the right to beat their child daily if they see fit. They don't have the right to allow their child to die from a treatable disease if they see fit. And they don't have the right to force their child to gestate if they see fit.
Of course. But none of this has anything to do with the subject at hand.

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