Let god be thy judge - Page 35

waitingtables · 05-02-2008, 12:58 PM

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You have said that men should not have the same right to decide the fate of their unborn children as women.

That's sexist.

There are many other examples of your blatant sexist attitudes.

Don't you recall equal but different? And I didn't say men shouldn't, I said men don't have a right to decide for a woman the fate of their unborn child during the first trimester. You can call that blatantly sexist, but it isn't.

A man does not have the say over a woman in the isue of abortion, unless the woman decides that is the way she is doing things, in the first trimester. After that, the state and the man have rights as well. But until that point, even if a man would like the child, he cannot force her to carry it to term for him. I understand everyone's points that the child is equally his, but it isn't, not until it is outside of her body, or beyond the first trimester. And even at that point, if the couple wasn't together, he would have to go through the legal system to make custody arrangements.

garysher · 05-02-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

Not to mention, women are now working in high steel industry too, as well as other types of construction work.

Most fields that once were considered 'male dominated/only' actually are co-ed fields.

Co-educational? What does the steel industry have to do with education?

Still male dominated, but they're no longer 'male only'...

Same with fields that were previously 'female dominated/only'...Even though they remain female dominated, they're also not 'female only' but co-ed.

Very few women are taking advantage of their new-found equality to take on the tough jobs that need to be done.

Far too many women are standing back and working as shop assistants, "admins" or other menial jobs that enable them to stay warm and dry and lowly paid.

Men aren't holding you back, women just use that as an excuse.

We all know women can talk the talk, now let's see them walk the walk.

garysher · 05-02-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

If you're so happy the way you are, WHY in the world are you so damned unhappy at not being in charge of the uterus?

Yet again you have to twist words and be disingenuous to try and advance your losing argument.

We aren't talking about a "uterus" we are talking about an unborn baby.

garysher · 05-02-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Don't you recall equal but different? And I didn't say men shouldn't, I said men don't have a right to decide for a woman the fate of their unborn child during the first trimester. You can call that blatantly sexist, but it isn't.

Why isn't it?

A man does not have the say over a woman in the isue of abortion, unless the woman decides that is the way she is doing things, in the first trimester. After that, the state and the man have rights as well. But until that point, even if a man would like the child, he cannot force her to carry it to term for him. I understand everyone's points that the child is equally his, but it isn't, not until it is outside of her body, or beyond the first trimester. And even at that point, if the couple wasn't together, he would have to go through the legal system to make custody arrangements.

Apart from the issue of abortion why aren't women taking on their share of responsibilities, instead of leaving it up to men, and then playing victim by complaining about "oppression"!!

waitingtables · 05-02-2008, 01:09 PM

As you said yourself Gary, there aren't a whole lot of dads that are staying home or working part time and caring for the family. Women are still the ones who do most of that. And there are women who do all kinds of work, and plenty of it is administrative. Quit trying to sell that crap, it's an overgeneralisation. And it isn't sexist for a woman to decide her destiny, it is sexist for a man to think that he could force motherhood on her if she didn't want it. When the embryo can be removed from her body and put inside his for gestation, then it might change.

garysher · 05-02-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

As you said yourself Gary, there aren't a whole lot of dads that are staying home or working part time and caring for the family. Women are still the ones who do most of that. And there are women who do all kinds of work, and plenty of it is administrative. Quit trying to sell that crap, it's an overgeneralisation.

The difference is that men don't moan about having to be providers, the same way women nag when their husbands don't wash dishes!

waitingtables · 05-02-2008, 01:11 PM

That was lame. Duh. I thought you were capable of higher thinking then that.

garysher · 05-02-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

That was lame. Duh. I thought you were capable of higher thinking then that.

I was dumbing it down for my audience.

The fact is women have all the same opportunities as men, but don't take advantage of them and then blame their recalcitrance on men too!

waitingtables · 05-02-2008, 01:27 PM

No woman is blaming anything on a man. They simply want the same opportunities as a man, and the same pay for the same job.

Please don't try to raise yourself above your intellectual level to try and impress me. Just be yourself.

garysher · 05-02-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

No woman is blaming anything on a man. They simply want the same opportunities as a man,

You've got that

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and the same pay for the same job.

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If you could do the same job you would get the same pay. If you can't then you have to accept less.

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