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Old 03-18-2008, 10:48 PM   #51 (permalink)
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There goes your pride and ego again grace. You're not 'handing it' to anyone, and your constant spelling and grammar mistakes only serve to underline your ignorance.

But then what can you expect from someone who considers a lack of grade school grammar skills 'a point' for their side?
She is correct Grace - your command of the language is atrocious and does stand as a crumbling foundation for your arrogant and dogmatic views, as well as your self-righteous judgements and baseless babbling. And you are clearly proud of it and selfish pride is a sin, isn't it?

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Old 03-18-2008, 10:58 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Once people stop believing in God, and lose their moral values, there is nothing to stop the fabric of society from unravelling completely.
Once people loose their moral values, there's trouble brewing - but a belief in God is not the denominator there. I can introduce you to a number of self righteous Christians who've lost their moral values and still believe in God. I'm sure you must know a few yourself, eh? In fact, the most Christ like person I've come to know happens to be an athiest, of all things.
Old 03-19-2008, 12:02 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Grace, I have children. I have two daughters actually. And one of them is 14. So I think I do have experience here. And my 14 year old is not having sex. And I recoil at the state telling me how to raise my children. So much so, that they aren't given all the immunizations that the state tries to force them to get. But I'll tell you this, if my daughter was to get pregnant, and if she wanted to terminate it, that would be her choice, not mine. And I would hope that she would tell me first, and allow me to support her in any way she needed. And hopefully I raised her well enough to trust me. The state wouldn't be forcing abortion on girls, only ensuring that their Constitutional rights were protected.
Unfortunately, I wasn't graced with daughters. BUT if I had been, what you said here sums up my own feelings if I did have daughters.

As a mother of boys though, I was sure to let my sons know that IF they'd gotten a young lady pregnant, that I'd be there for both of them to talk to and support what THEIR decision(s) were, on going through with a pregnancy, or termination.

Because my reasoning is, if they could make the choice to engage in sex that resulted in a pregnancy, then they would have to be adult enough to deal with making the decision of what to do about that pregnancy. And it wasn't my place to judge whether that decision was right or wrong, just be there for them during and after making whatever decision they did make.

I also acknowledge that how I raised my children in a home atmosphere that allowed for such open and frank discussion regarding sex and consequences...Is a rare occurance. And it isn't my place to tell the girl what she should/shouldn't tell her parents because she's the one that would know better in how they'd react by what they've told her themselves about such issues.

I'd have suggested her talking to her parents, but I wouldn't force her or go behind her back to make an already scary situation scarier...As well as break the trust that my being there to listen I'd have broken by not letting her do as she saw fit in regards to her own family and situation.

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Old 03-19-2008, 07:54 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I just love how Gary chimes in with , "I can't believe how quickly these women are giving up their parental responsibilities." None of that crap is the issue. The issue is, allowing a woman to decide her own future, even if she is a young woman. I would have freaked out if my parents tried to force me to have a child that I did not want. And once again, I don't care what age the pregnant woman is, bearing and raising a child is not punishment for a lack of responsibility. So all that talk about facing the consequences of your actions and taking responsibility for them is bunk. A person terminating an unwanted pregnancy in the first trimester is doing just that. And has decided that she could handle the consequences of that as well, whatever that might mean for her life.

And pardon me for saying so Gary, but as a man who will never have to make that decision or be faced with the consequences, your opinion means nada.
Old 03-19-2008, 10:03 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I just love how Gary chimes in with , "I can't believe how quickly these women are giving up their parental responsibilities." None of that crap is the issue. The issue is, allowing a woman to decide her own future, even if she is a young woman. I would have freaked out if my parents tried to force me to have a child that I did not want. And once again, I don't care what age the pregnant woman is, bearing and raising a child is not punishment for a lack of responsibility. So all that talk about facing the consequences of your actions and taking responsibility for them is bunk. A person terminating an unwanted pregnancy in the first trimester is doing just that. And has decided that she could handle the consequences of that as well, whatever that might mean for her life.

And pardon me for saying so Gary, but as a man who will never have to make that decision or be faced with the consequences, your opinion means nada.
Excellent post, WT.

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Old 03-19-2008, 01:54 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I just love how Gary chimes in with , "I can't believe how quickly these women are giving up their parental responsibilities." None of that crap is the issue. The issue is, allowing a woman to decide her own future, even if she is a young woman. I would have freaked out if my parents tried to force me to have a child that I did not want. And once again, I don't care what age the pregnant woman is, bearing and raising a child is not punishment for a lack of responsibility. So all that talk about facing the consequences of your actions and taking responsibility for them is bunk. A person terminating an unwanted pregnancy in the first trimester is doing just that. And has decided that she could handle the consequences of that as well, whatever that might mean for her life.


I was referring to girls under the age of 18 who get pregnant. At that age they are minors and still under the care and direction of their parents.

Why should you suddenly abandon your parental responsibilities if your under age daughter gets pregnant?







And pardon me for saying so Gary, but as a man who will never have to make that decision or be faced with the consequences, your opinion means nada.

Complete nonsense. Men have to face the responsibilities and consequences of parenthood just as women do. And men are still the primary providers in most families.

Oh and remember you women can't get pregnant without us

Old 03-19-2008, 03:32 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Complete nonsense. Men have to face the responsibilities and consequences of parenthood just as women do. And men are still the primary providers in most families.
LOL

Gary, you are so humorous!!!
Old 03-19-2008, 04:29 PM   #58 (permalink)
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LOL

Gary, you are so humorous!!!
Glad you think so!

I assume you have no argument with that post or you would have tried to frame it in your own inimitable style




Old 03-20-2008, 06:50 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Gary, how many single mothers are out there raising their children all alone? I know my dad was nowhere to be found and did not support me one day of my life. In fact, I supported him after I was grown. And I just love how you post all the noble aspects of fatherhood, but leave out the actual facts on how many fathers don't care or provide for their kids. Typically, whatever mess the man leaves behind must be dealt with by the woman. As I said many times before, there are very, very, few men out there fighting for the right to raise their unborn child on their own. Do you know why? Because it's very, very difficult to do. Most men in fact, support their girlfriends or wives decision to terminate, because they know that the burden of responsibility falls on her shoulders. And about the financial aspect of parenthood, you would have to agree that in today's economy, both parents are supporting the family, because we can't live on one income alone any more, not for a long time now. You seem to be stuck in the 1950's type of mentality. Time to upgrade your system, times have changed.
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She is correct Grace - your command of the language is atrocious and does stand as a crumbling foundation for your arrogant and dogmatic views, as well as your self-righteous judgements and baseless babbling. And you are clearly proud of it and selfish pride is a sin, isn't it?
Really?? So you have taken my side had every word been spelled correctly??
Do you believe in the God of the bible, or sin at all? If not, why should I defend what is or isnt sin on my part to you?
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