Let god be thy judge

Grace · 03-20-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

I just love how Gary chimes in with , "I can't believe how quickly these women are giving up their parental responsibilities." None of that crap is the issue. The issue is, allowing a woman to decide her own future, even if she is a young woman. I would have freaked out if my parents tried to force me to have a child that I did not want. And once again, I don't care what age the pregnant woman is, bearing and raising a child is not punishment for a lack of responsibility. So all that talk about facing the consequences of your actions and taking responsibility for them is bunk. A person terminating an unwanted pregnancy in the first trimester is doing just that. And has decided that she could handle the consequences of that as well, whatever that might mean for her life.

And pardon me for saying so Gary, but as a man who will never have to make that decision or be faced with the consequences, your opinion means nada.

Note to waiting, we were not talking about women, we were talking about children.

waitingtables · 03-20-2008, 08:19 AM

And I stated that in the post. I was talking about teenage girls. As well as women. It doesn't change any of the things that I said.

When I was 16, my dad was nowhere to be found, and my mother was addicted to heroin. I was on my own. If in my teenage years, I were to become pregnant, I was perfectly capable of making that decision then. And I would have, had it happened. Thank God for my own common sense, I wasn't having sex yet, unlike my neighbor in the projects, who had a one year old at age 15. She lived with her mother, who was also on welfare. I get the feeling that they are probably still living in the same circumstances that they were over 20 years ago. I, however, am not. Nor have I ever been on welfare, living in the projects in my adult life, while I have been under my own rule. You see, my judgement has always been better than my parents, for some reason. Grace, things are not always clear cut and in black and white. Life experience should make one more understanding and willing to accept other people's shortcomings or mistakes, not make one less loving or accepting of different types of choices then you might make.

Grace · 03-20-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

And I stated that in the post. I was talking about teenage girls. As well as women. It doesn't change any of the things that I said.

When I was 16, my dad was nowhere to be found, and my mother was addicted to heroin. I was on my own. If in my teenage years, I were to become pregnant, I was perfectly capable of making that decision then. And I would have, had it happened. Thank God for my own common sense, I wasn't having sex yet, unlike my neighbor in the projects, who had a one year old at age 15. She lived with her mother, who was also on welfare. I get the feeling that they are probably still living in the same circumstances that they were over 20 years ago. I, however, am not. Nor have I ever been on welfare, living in the projects in my adult life, while I have been under my own rule. You see, my judgement has always been better than my parents, for some reason. Grace, things are not always clear cut and in black and white. Life experience should make one more understanding and willing to accept other people's shortcomings or mistakes, not make one less loving or accepting of different types of choices then you might make.

Im sorry to hear that waiting. But That doesnt give anyone the right to take away the responcibilities of parents who do in fact want to and are qualified to properly raise there children. Even if the only right they have is to be informed, and have a chance to influance.

waitingtables · 03-20-2008, 08:29 AM

But they do have the right to take it away from the pregnant girl? I disagree. She will be the mother of a child, no one else. It is her body, and it should ultimately be her own choice. And until there is a test that people have to pass in order to be deemed what you call qualified and responsible and able to properly raise a child, we can't throw all families into one "Leave it to Beaver" catergory.

Catus Felidae · 03-20-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

LOL, whatever, a couple misspelled words here and there as I try to respond to several different people in several different threads, and posts does not make me uneducated.

Yes grace, it does. We're not talking 'typo's' here grace. We're talking about the constant misuse of the wrong words.

People dismiss me cause they dont want to look in the mirror, cause they dont want to face the truth that they endorse murder. You think you have the right to determine living humans as waste, and think I have a problem with pride???? Your hypocracy knows no bounds sister.

People dismiss you because your posts reek of hubris.

BTW.....you are no better at knowing my mind than you are at knowing Gods. I have never demanded the right to determine which living humans are 'waste' and which are not. I do however, have the right to decide when I will gestate.

Grace · 03-20-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

But they do have the right to take it away from the pregnant girl? I disagree. She will be the mother of a child, no one else. It is her body, and it should ultimately be her own choice. And until there is a test that people have to pass in order to be deemed what you call qualified and responsible and able to properly raise a child, we can't throw all families into one "Leave it to Beaver" catergory.

All I said was the parents should have the right to know, and talk with there child, before the child makes her choice.

Grace · 03-20-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

People dismiss you because your posts reek of hubris.

BTW.....you are no better at knowing my mind than you are at knowing Gods. I have never demanded the right to determine which living humans are 'waste' and which are not. I do however, have the right to decide when I will gestate.

You dont dismiss me at all. You respond to everything I say. And deciding if a person is waste, and and deciding you'd rather not "gestate" once you already are, are one in the same.

Catus Felidae · 03-20-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

You dont dismiss me at all. You respond to everything I say.

I dismiss what you say grace. Your pride, ego and ignorance leave you without credence.

And deciding if a person is waste, and and deciding you'd rather not "gestate" once you already are, are one in the same.

Do you really think that women who decide to abort do so because of their opinion of he embryo? LOL! Most women who abort do so because of reasons that apply to them, not the embryo.

knot_e_lady · 03-20-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

All I said was the parents should have the right to know, and talk with there child, before the child makes her choice.

And it shouldn't be anyone's call but the young woman's.

knot_e_lady · 03-20-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

You dont dismiss me at all. You respond to everything I say.

Here, let me explain this in terms even you might be able to understand.

If a homeless man were to come up to you and start giving you financial advice would you take it?

No, you would reply to him "thank you very much", then dismiss everything he said as irrelevant, since his advice is probably meaningless, because he is homeless.