Let god be thy judge

OnTheLeft · 03-20-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Grace

All I said was the parents should have the right to know, and talk with there child, before the child makes her choice.

I understand what you're saying, Grace. A good parent would want to help and try to make their child's choice easier.

Sad part is not all parents are good parents. That's why I feel a minor's right to privacy is as important as an adult's. I believe, in a lot of cases, a pregnant teen should tell her parents and reach out for their support. However, I don't believe it should be law that they have to.

Grace · 03-20-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

Do you really think that women who decide to abort do so because of their opinion of he embryo? LOL! Most women who abort do so because of reasons that apply to them, not the embryo.

If you really dismiss everything I say, then why do you ask me questions? Assumed questions at that, then laugh before I even answer.

Grace · 03-20-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheLeft

I understand what you're saying, Grace. A good parent would want to help and try to make their child's choice easier.

Sad part is not all parents are good parents. That's why I feel a minor's right to privacy is as important as an adult's. I believe, in a lot of cases, a pregnant teen should tell her parents and reach out for their support. However, I don't believe it should be law that they have to.

I understand not all parents are good parents. But good parents shouldnt be punnished on there account.

Catus Felidae · 03-20-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Grace

If you really dismiss everything I say, then why do you ask me questions? Assumed questions at that, then laugh before I even answer.

For the same reasons people laughed at the silliness of the court jester. Entertainment.

garysher · 03-20-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Gary, how many single mothers are out there raising their children all alone? I know my dad was nowhere to be found and did not support me one day of my life. In fact, I supported him after I was grown. And I just love how you post all the noble aspects of fatherhood, but leave out the actual facts on how many fathers don't care or provide for their kids. Typically, whatever mess the man leaves behind must be dealt with by the woman.

I have asked many times why so many women seem so adept at choosing losers to father their children.

However you should not put all men in this category. Only the men chosen by women on this forum.

As I said many times before, there are very, very, few men out there fighting for the right to raise their unborn child on their own. Do you know why? Because it's very, very difficult to do. Most men in fact, support their girlfriends or wives decision to terminate, because they know that the burden of responsibility falls on her shoulders.

All the more reason why women need to be careful who they choose to father their children. In the end it's the children who suffer.

And about the financial aspect of parenthood, you would have to agree that in today's economy, both parents are supporting the family, because we can't live on one income alone any more, not for a long time now. You seem to be stuck in the 1950's type of mentality. Time to upgrade your system, times have changed.

Raising children as a stay-at-home mum is not a "1950's mentality', it's just the right thing to do.

My wife stopped working just before we had our first child and is only just beginning to start working again. I have been the only provider for our family, and I know many other men who have done likewise.

Again - women need to choose their husbands a lot more intelligently, it's no fun being a latchkey kid.

Infact it's one of the major reasons why kids end up in gangs - nobody home to care for them after school.

garysher · 03-20-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheLeft

I understand what you're saying, Grace. A good parent would want to help and try to make their child's choice easier.

Sad part is not all parents are good parents. That's why I feel a minor's right to privacy is as important as an adult's. I believe, in a lot of cases, a pregnant teen should tell her parents and reach out for their support. However, I don't believe it should be law that they have to.

Do you think a minor's right to privacy should extend to their school work, school reports, teacher conferences etc?

Should a minor have a right to privacy about where they go after school or in the evenings? And who they go with?

Of course not.

It's very obvious you are not a parent.

garysher · 03-20-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

For the same reasons people laughed at the silliness of the court jester. Entertainment.

You should have called yourself catty instead of catus!

OKgrannie · 03-20-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grace

I understand not all parents are good parents. But good parents shouldnt be punnished on there account.

Good parents don't need government to force their children to come to them when they need help, their children turn to their parents willingly. Most young women do inform their parents when they are pregnant, the few who don't have good reasons not to.

OnTheLeft · 03-20-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Good parents don't need government to force their children to come to them when they need help, their children turn to their parents willingly. Most young women do inform their parents when they are pregnant, the few who don't have good reasons not to.

Well said, OKgrannie. I agree.

AlicornsPrayer · 03-20-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Good parents don't need government to force their children to come to them when they need help, their children turn to their parents willingly. Most young women do inform their parents when they are pregnant, the few who don't have good reasons not to.

BINGO!

I had a friend who got pregnant out of wedlock, who's parents disowned her right after she got pregnant and had her move in with her grandparents (she was 17). They had made off-handed comments prior to that about disowning a child that got pregnant out of wedlock, and she learned just how serious they had been by continueing with the pregnancy. Her parents wouldn't give her consent to abort, which she wouldn't have done anyways at that time. Her parents then moved out of state, and and refused to have anything to do with her or her son till that child was 4 years old...

When he was 5, she found out she was pregnant again...Rather then be ostricized by her parents and sister again for continuing a pregnancy and not being married prior to said pregnancy? She decided the only option she had was to terminate the pregnancy...If she didn't have the child, then her parents wouldn't disown her and her son again.

The worse part was, she wanted the baby then as well. But she felt forced that she had no option but to do it cause she knew exactly how her family would treat her. That they'd condemn her for getting pregnant in the first place, then more then likely wouldn't have anything ever again to do with her or either of her children.

A good parent wouldn't make their child feel afraid in the first place, through words or innuendo, of dealing with an unplanned pregnancy...It's the fear that 'bad' parents creates about such situations, that makes a young lady unwilling to approach them in the first place...Not an open, trusting relationship where the young lady would feel safe to discuss an unplanned pregnancy she found herself in.

So if you want to place blame on who encourages the young lady not to approach the parent about it? You need to be looking at the parents that are raising those young ladies that feel they can't tell their parents, who in that case need the right to privacy to handle the situation as they see fit without parental consent in the first place.