Defending the Truth

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

If you expect children will be responsible, they will. If you expect them to try to worm out of their responsibilities, they will.

Originally Posted by waitingtables

And Gary for all your hot air, you are forgetting that women are stuck with these losers because unfortunately, a great deal of men behave that way. Perhaps you should take that up with others of your gender and find a possible solution. Sorry if I offend the men out there, but facts are facts, and the lower you go on the economic scale, the more prevalent it is. I'm not saying that there aren't exceptions, my husband isn't wealthy, and he does provide for us. But we came to a mutual agreement that I would stay at home with the kids and he would work full time. But since we aren't wealthy enough to do that, I work part time nights and weekends to make up the difference. Then he's home with them, while I'm working. Not all men do that though. Many just leave, or some other variant occurs. And not all men are telegraphing to the world that they are really scumbags in a good man's costume. Stop blaming women for men's shortcomings and figure out your own mal-adaptations, Gary.

I'm not blaming women for men's shortcomings, nor am I excusing that kind of flaky, loser male. I have no time nor respect for men like that.

I'm saying the woman still has a choice about who will father her children - if anyone - and she needs to make that choice very carefully.

After the father disappears into the night, and she is left with the children, it's too late.




And you can't make laws that discriminate against the kids who don't have great parents, Gary, which I think are the majority anymore, unfortunately.

You mean like laws that require children to attend school? Even though their parents can't help them with homework or provide any encouragement?

I agree you can't make laws that will magically right all wrongs and balance out all disadvantages, but that doesn't mean we should use the law to give children or parents an excuse for avoiding responsibility.







I'm curious as to the backgrounds that you two came from, Gary and Grace. You don't have to satisfy it, but I wish you would. I'm sensing that it might be a lack of experience in life that allows you both to think our world is peaches and cream, leave it to beaver-esque.

Originally Posted by Grace

You are a Sunday school teacher??? For what the church of hell blood and murder??

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

You are doubting I have been a Sunday School teacher? That is what the posters mean, Grace, when they say you are judgemental and self-righteous. You are not qualified to judge IF or HOW Christian another person is. Are you perhaps suggesting that a Christian cannot be pro-choice? If so, please check out this website:
RCRC - Mission

The Mission of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice brings the moral power of religious communities to ensure reproductive choice through education and advocacy. The Coalition seeks to give clear voice to the reproductive issues of people of color, those living in poverty, and other underserved populations.
RCRC was founded in 1973 to safeguard the newly won constitutional right to abortion. The Coalition founders were clergy and lay leaders from mainstream religions, many of whom had provided women with referrals to safe abortion services before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade. The founders believed that there would be at most a ten-year struggle to secure the right to choose. In fact the struggle is far from over. It has changed and intensified, and the stakes are growing

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

If you expect children will be responsible, they will. If you expect them to try to worm out of their responsibilities, they will.

Originally Posted by Grace

Really?? So you have taken my side had every word been spelled correctly??
Do you believe in the God of the bible, or sin at all? If not, why should I defend what is or isnt sin on my part to you?

Originally Posted by Grace

So if we just expect children not to get pregnet they wont??? Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Expecting children to be responsible doesn't mean they won't make mistakes, Grace. Being responsible means dealing with mistakes in an honorable manner.