Let god be thy judge

Catus Felidae · 05-05-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

It's not just difficult to adopt a U.S. baby, there is just more demand than the supply can keep up with. People are stealing, selling and buying babies.

But you want to see some REAL bullshit. Read this.

"As well, the court found the biological father was capable of having a positive presence in the baby's life, but not in a parental role."

I wish the article had gone into some detail regarding this.

Catus Felidae · 05-05-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

"As well, the court found the biological father was capable of having a positive presence in the baby's life, but not in a parental role."

I wish the article had gone into some detail regarding this.

I found some more info.

Saskatoon dad

Smith did not reach his conclusions based on whether Hendricks was actually Ian's biological father -- DNA proved that -- but on what is best for the child. This is not the first time the courts have ruled this way. The law has been evolving in this direction for years, and the judge cited a number of precedents for his decision, including one at the Supreme Court.
His conclusions are not surprising, given Hendricks' background. Hendricks' family has a history of alcoholism and he has had his own struggles with alcohol. He quit school after Grade 8 and has struggled to make a living ever since, bouncing from the construction industry to a series of odd jobs to a failed wedding business.
He declared bankruptcy in 2002 and now operates a courier business, although he hasn't paid income tax for three years.
He is married at the moment, but is trying to get a divorce so he can marry his current partner, "Ruth." To date, none of his numerous relationships have lasted more than three years. All have ended, as the judge put it, "somewhere between badly and very badly."
Oh, and he also has a 20-year-old daughter that he put up for adoption at the time of birth.

Although Saskatchewan media reports suggested a court ruling giving custody of an infant two parents other than the biological father was either incorrect or improper given societal values, family law practitioners say the judge 's decision accurately reflects Canadian case law.
In Hendricks v. Swan [2007] S.J. No.30, a biological mother signed a custody agreement placing her baby in the care of a third party family without the consent of the biological father. Saskatchewan Court of Queen 's Bench Justice Shawn Smith ruled that the biological father was capable of providing a positive adult presence in the baby 's life, but not in a parental role, and the child 's best interests were served by granting custody to the third party family. He also ordered a one-year period of (familial calm ) to facilitate bonding and attachment of the child, allowing the biological father to resume access again only after one year, unless other wise agreed by the parties. Justice Smith noted the case law instructs that : (i) The paramount consideration is the best interest of the child; (ii) Blood ties are a factor to be considered in determining the best interest of the child but they are to be considered for the point of view of the significance to the child, rather then the significance to the biological parents; (iii) The question must be asked which environment can best provide for the health, emotional well-being education, training, intellectual, economic and psychological needs of the child; (iv) The Court must consider uncertainties associated with transferring custody of a child from a known situation of security and stability to a situation with many unknowns. In the case of an infant, the court must consider the potential harm to a child in disrupting a attachments that have developed or are in the advanced stages of formation .

fxashun · 05-05-2008, 10:41 AM

Gotta love "legal" it's always on the side of what's "right". I wonder is it the same in the U.S. No wonder they had gay marriage first with legal interpretations like that.

I don't think you should be able to revoke biological parental custody like that. Women aren't treated this bad. This news reminds me of the FLDS coverage.

Catus Felidae · 05-05-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

Gotta love "legal" it's always on the side of what's "right". I wonder is it the same in the U.S. No wonder they had gay marriage first with legal interpretations like that.

I don't think you should be able to revoke biological parental custody like that. Women aren't treated this bad. This news reminds me of the FLDS coverage.

I must admit, it bothers me too. But I am of two minds here. First, it should be damned difficult to remove a child from his/her biological parents. But what qualifies as 'damned difficult'.

I have a neighbor who has a 4 year old daughter who is rapidly becoming a problem. The child is simply unsupervised. At 3 she suffered a broken foot after being struck by a car while playing outside without an adult to watch her. Plants and decorative items on your front porch are a waste of money. She either takes them, or breaks them. Last week she climbed the fence into a neighbors yard and attempted to take their Pom to her house. Somehow she managed to break the poor dogs back and it had to be put down. When her mother was confronted by the dogs owner she said "I can't watch her 24 hours a day."!

Yes, the police and CPS have been called several times. Neither has been able to force any change in this mother, and we have been informed that the situation 'isn't serious enough' to warrant removing the child from the mother.

If a child of this age being allowed to play outside unsupervised isn't 'serious enough' what the hell is? Does she have to be completely run over by a car before the authorities get involved?

Yes, I understand that CPS has much more serious cases of neglect and abuse that must take priority; so perhaps the Canadian system is better financed and can take cases such as this one seriously.

pensacola_niceman · 05-05-2008, 11:24 AM

I am ultra-sensitive to issues involving childrens' neglect and abuse. I have a hard time reading news stories about it. I probably comes from the fact that I adopted my daughter from China when she was 2 years old. She's now 13 and the love of my life.

fxashun · 05-05-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

I am ultra-sensitive to issues involving childrens' neglect and abuse. I have a hard time reading news stories about it. I probably comes from the fact that I adopted my daughter from China when she was 2 years old. She's now 13 and the love of my life.

I know what you mean. My son totally changed me. Before he was born I was a bullheaded, opinionated, egotistical jerk. Now I'm a bullhead, opinionated, egotistical jerk who is a father. What a difference being a father makes.

Seriously though, I simple cant imagine not loving the stew out of your kids. They are God's gift.

garysher · 05-05-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

How you got this from my post is a mystery.

Let's leave it that way.

Did you post this as a justification for abortion - to avoid the risk of having an unhealthy baby:

"I have a big problem with people who can only love a healthy infant. For one thing, infants don't stay infants. They get older. And they don't always stay healthy.

If the parents can only love a healthy infant, what are they going to do when the infant becomes a child, or develops health problems? Return it?"

Catus Felidae · 05-05-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Did you post this as a justification for abortion - to avoid the risk of having an unhealthy baby:

"I have a big problem with people who can only love a healthy infant. For one thing, infants don't stay infants. They get older. And they don't always stay healthy.

If the parents can only love a healthy infant, what are they going to do when the infant becomes a child, or develops health problems? Return it?"

No, I posted that because I have serious qualms regarding a lot of people who want to adopt.