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Originally Posted by OKgrannie  Since the ones who got the "don't have sex" message had a much higher rate of pregnancy, it seems fairly obvious that they are ignorant and in need of further instruction.
It's simple statistics, those who received comprehensive sex ed had few pregnancies. Those who received abstinence-only sex ed had more pregnancies.
You're misreading or perhaps deliberately misleading...it's an abstinence-ONLY message that hurts kids. Why? Because (1) it is doomed to failure, and (2) when it does fail, kids don't know how to protect themselves. By the time kids get to be teen-agers, it isn't a matter of "letting" them do whatever they want, because they are going to. It is a matter of guiding them so that they see the value in doing the right thing, and so they WANT to do that.. | So in fact kids are not hurt by the message, they are hurt by IGNORING the message!
That's a crucial difference.
Your assumption that kids are going to have sex regardless is the message that can hurt.
Why are so resigned to defeat? Why don't you teach self-control and personal responsibility?
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So in fact kids are not hurt by the message, they are hurt by IGNORING the message!
That's a crucial difference.
you are getting too bogged down in semantics and ideology. the point is when society pursues a policy of abstinence only sex education the rate of teenage pregnancies increases. when society pursues a policy of comprehensive sex education the rate of teenage pregnancies falls.
thus, if society wants less teenage pregnancies, we should be implementing comprehensive sex ed.
the issue is not one of morality, semantics or what is right and wrong. the issue is one of public education policy and measurable outcomes.
Your assumption that kids are going to have sex regardless is the message that can hurt.
if sex hurts, you need to see a doctor.
sex is a good thing. why try to paint it as something bad?
Why are so resigned to defeat? Why don't you teach self-control and personal responsibility?
excellent idea. self control in terms of why, where, when and with whom they have sex. responsibility in terms of using protection and contraception. | 
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Level up: 43%, 40 Points needed | | You think teen age sex is a good thing??? Now im getting a better understanding of where you are coming from, and its worse than I thought. | |
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Originally Posted by Grace You think teen age sex is a good thing??? Now im getting a better understanding of where you are coming from, and its worse than I thought. | Teenage sex is going to happen whether we think it's good or bad. Best to face reality and tackle the problem then to put your head in the sand. | |
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Originally Posted by garysher How old is your daughter? | Twenty six.
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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae Twenty six. | I think that's a good age to think about children, providing she's finished her education and done everything she wants to do as a single person. How old is the husband?
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Teenage sex is going to happen whether we think it's good or bad. Best to face reality and tackle the problem then to put your head in the sand. |
This is the kind of attitude that pervades liberal thinking.
Curiously it's the same mentality that opposes gun control laws because the criminals will ignore them anyway!
In that case why bother teaching children anything because in the end they'll do whatever they want.
And why bother having any laws because criminals will always break them!!
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Originally Posted by garysher This is the kind of attitude that pervades liberal thinking.
Curiously it's the same mentality that opposes gun control laws because the criminals will ignore them anyway!
In that case why bother teaching children anything because in the end they'll do whatever they want.
And why bother having any laws because criminals will always break them!! | Being realistic is a bad thing?
I'm not saying don't teach abstinence. I'm saying that to think that a teenager isn't going to have sex just because you don't talk about it is naive.
Knowledge is power. Giving your children the complete story is the best, rather then to bury your head in the sand and say "If I don't acknowledge it, it won't happen".
Oh, and BTW, most 'liberals' are for gun control laws. | |
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Originally Posted by garysher I think that's a good age to think about children, providing she's finished her education and done everything she wants to do as a single person. How old is the husband?
| He's twenty seven. She still has one more semester to go for her Masters degree.
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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae He's twenty seven. She still has one more semester to go for her Masters degree. | You don't look old enough to have a 26 year old daughter.
Are you often mistaken for sisters?
(follow that willie)
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