Defending the Truth

garysher · 07-22-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel

How about men who expect women to remain pregnant against their will? How about men who would like to force women to gestate against their will?

I'm thinking that might be a little disrespectful, Gary.

So having a baby is disrespectful but killing a baby isn't???

See how wacky you women are!

Women make choices about sex - that's the time to decide if a woman is prepared to 'gestate' as you so charmingly describe it!

waitingtables · 07-22-2008, 09:10 AM

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Tables don't you agree that plenty of women disrespect men ( in addition to themselves)?

As you just did with your last post

That wasn't disrespectful, just honest. And people disrespect each other all the time, your point about that in this thread is not relevant. There are not many men fighting with women to stop them from having an abortion.

OKgrannie · 07-22-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

So having a baby is disrespectful but killing a baby isn't???

See how wacky you women are!

Women make choices about sex - that's the time to decide if a woman is prepared to 'gestate' as you so charmingly describe it!

You're confused, gary, not an unusual occurrence. Having a baby in itself is not disrespectful. It could be disrespectful of the father's wishes if he doesn't want the child. It could be disrespectful of the woman's parent's wishes if she is underage and they don't want her to give birth. Disrespecting another's wishes is not the same as disrespecting the person with wishes. You need to learn to make a distinction between a born baby and an unborn fetus. Your refusal to accept the standard language making such a distinction is purely to obfuscate the fact that the difference exists, but it's not working, the difference exists anyway.
The fact that our society accepts the use of contraceptives, actually encourages the use of contraceptives, indicates that the concensus of society is that women should be able to have sex without the result of pregnancy.

garysher · 07-22-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

You're confused, gary, not an unusual occurrence. Having a baby in itself is not disrespectful. It could be disrespectful of the father's wishes if he doesn't want the child. It could be disrespectful of the woman's parent's wishes if she is underage and they don't want her to give birth. Disrespecting another's wishes is not the same as disrespecting the person with wishes.

Your verbal tap dancing would make Fred Astaire jealous.

But the rest of us realise it's purely to obfuscate the fact that no difference exists

You need to learn to make a distinction between a born baby and an unborn fetus. Your refusal to accept the standard language making such a distinction is purely to obfuscate the fact that the difference exists, but it's not working, the difference exists anyway.

Did I mention we're going to a fetus shower this weekend?

The parents are so proud and the father just loves to stroke the fetus in his wife's tummy and feel it kicking it's little fetus legs.

They've already started to decorate the fetus bedroom and have bought some cute little fetus clothes.

I must swing by Fetus's 'R' Us and buy a gift.

See how quickly I've adapted to the 'standard' language.........

The fact that our society accepts the use of contraceptives, actually encourages the use of contraceptives, indicates that the concensus of society is that women should be able to have sex without the result of pregnancy.

Absolutely.

But the woman has to accept that there is still a chance she may get pregnant, and that needs to factor into her decision about having sex.

garysher · 07-22-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

That wasn't disrespectful, just honest. And people disrespect each other all the time, your point about that in this thread is not relevant. There are not many men fighting with women to stop them from having an abortion.

So when men are disrespectful they're disrespectful.

But when women are disrespectful they're just being honest?

Got it!

waitingtables · 07-22-2008, 02:07 PM

It is not disrespectful to call your argument childish and ignorant if that is what I see. You can switch your argument to an entirely different one in just one post. Stick to what I said and why, don't add some other question that isn't the same as what you said originally.

garysher · 07-22-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BrittanyNicole

If there are children reading these posts then their parents ought to be ashamed of themselves for not knowing what their young children are doing online.

Did your parents know when you were posting on Yahoo as a minor??

BrittanyNicole · 07-23-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Did your parents know when you were posting on Yahoo as a minor??

Yup. I was 16+ when I was posting on yahoo. They knew all of what I was doing online but felt as though I was mature enough (which I was) to not have mommy and daddy looking over my shoulder. Anything I read on yahoo wasn't new to me...it was hardly any more perverse than what you hear in high school.

However, I was not 13 and on those boards. THAT'S when parents need to be looking over their kids when they are on the internet. When they are young. Not when they are 16 and 17.

But I am nearly 20 now, so you can stop avoiding my debates and only touching on the small things that have NOTHING to do with the original topic. By the way....took you long enough to come up with that "come back".

highway80west · 07-23-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel

I don't remember getting any type of sex talk from my parents. My mum probably spoke to me about it when I was very young, but I don't remember.

I do know that I did my own research. I read all kinds of books and learned pretty much everything there was to know about my body, and how babies are made, how the baby develops, etc. I basically learnt all of that myself when I was a kid.

Teachers at school are NOT good sex ed teachers - most of the time the teacher is a male and they always cringe when they have to talk about sex. It's not a subject men like to speak about.

I had a girlfriend once, 12 years ago. All she talked about was sex, and having a baby with me. Now, not so fast. I only had been dating her a month, and she was like an old 78 rpm record. Heck, she was in her early 40's, as I was. I would have had to worry more about her health than the baby's. On top of that, she also was bi-polar.

She had been married before, whereas I have not, and still not.

highway80west · 07-23-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BrittanyNicole

Agreed. I've never had a good sex ed class. They were all either general teachers (in elementary school...5th grade, it was more of a puberty sex type talk) or health teachers that basically had the general basic knowledge about sex ed and just really didn't specialize in it nor care to talk about it. I think it is one of the big problems with the sex ed program as a whole. But also, I don't know how much improving it is going to help with how young teenagers are when they start to want to become sexually active. It freaks me out.

I learned basically all of my sex ed from my mom for various reasons that I won't get much into...mainly due to hitting puberty at a very young age. Sex ed in school was always a chance for me to nap.

All of my sex education classes were boring. 6th, 9th, and 12th grades, it didn't matter. More boring than driver's education class.

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