its fascinating where some of these threads end up.

fxashun;

Yes, but the woman didn't make the choice to put the life there. A woman DOES have the choice in this case. No woman should have to carry a physical reminder of rape to term if she doesn't want to.

it sounds like you are just punishing a woman for getting pregnant. why should she be required to carry a physical reminder of a stupid mistake she made with the wrong man, or carry a reminder of the time the condom broke? and remember the "physical reminder" is going to grow into a baby and be part of her life forever, not just 9 months. harsh punishment for any behaviour.

a wanted pregnancy is a delight, but an unwanted pregnancy and unwanted baby is a disaster. you would require this disaster to be forced onto women because of silly mistakes they made months ago?

Nope, not right offhand. But my allegiance is to the woman. In this situation, they both are innocent. So the "innocent" doesn't apply. And if you are gonna choose, I doubt many women would choose to die to allow the child to live, and I know I wouldn't if it were "my" wife.

MOST women would choose to die to save the life of their child.

this is my point. an embryo is not a child, it is an embryo, and people do not feel the same about embryos. so any argument about killing a child misses the point.

The embryo is the same, but the circumstances are different. Just as when a policeman chases down a speeder, doesn't he have to go even faster than the speeder to catch him? Why is the policeman's speed not dangerous but the speeder was? Some things just are.

speeding is also fine during motor sport races, and for ambulances, and citizens if there is an emergency. so speeding is fine in the right situation. and you have said that abortion is fine in the right situation too.

who determines which situations are "bad enough" to justify abortion and which ones are insufficient? are you the best one to judge? should the pregnant woman have a say too?

I am against abortion as contraception because that is wanton killing, and since 50% of abortions are not the woman's first, when abortion advocates call it a "mistake", that's bullshit. That's serial killing.

is it impossible for someone to make two mistakes? remember there are lots of reasons why contaception fails, or unplanned pregnancy occurs, not just girls being sluts.

Who says they were mistakes. Half of abortions are not the first. Doesn't sound like most of them are "mistakes", just stupid women. Who might be really making the right decision whe viewed from that angle.

I question the "mistake" part of it. I'm sure the sex was intentional in most cases of abortion. If she catches herpes or HIV, the consequences are even more permanent.

Based on? A live child sure, but an embryo? I'd like to see what you base that on.

It's a child. All children go through the embryonic stage of development. It just another stage life adolescence, adulthood, and menopause.

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speeding is also fine during motor sport races, and for ambulances, and citizens if there is an emergency. so speeding is fine in the right situation. and you have said that abortion is fine in the right situation too.

It is. And the right situation isn't "because I want to".

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who determines which situations are "bad enough" to justify abortion and which ones are insufficient? are you the best one to judge? should the pregnant woman have a say too?

She had a say before she got pregnant.

If the pregnancy is due to sex between people who are not married, and have no real relationship, sounds like slutty activity to me. God bless dem hoes, teenage guys depend on them, but they are still sluts.

That last part of your post shows a lot about you. I guess you didn't have premarital sex? What makes it okay for you to screw around with anyone and then judge them like that, while you hold yourself in some sort of delusional esteem? Twisted.

I grew up.

Where do you gather that I hold myself in some high esteem? It's funny how people project their feeling about me, on me, and then pretend like I feel the same way.

THAT is twisted.

It's your statement, not mine. It says a lot about what you think of women in general. Someone must have screwed you over real good.

How does it say a lot about how I feel about women in general. Are women in general sluts and are the type that teenage guys depend on? Because in my experience a good slut used to be hard to find. Most women had virtue and self respect.
Have things changed that much in our society that slut is the norm?

You're defense is lacking. You apparently think that a woman who has sex without being married is a slut. And this isn't the first time you have said those kinds of things. Hey, don't be ashamed of how you really feel. Be proud and say it outloud. If that is how you feel, then don't try to pretty it up or explain away, own it.

One who has sex with several partners is...yes. And a woman that has sex several times with one partner and gets pregnant should have know what was coming. That's not a mistake. Just as a woman working on her second and third abortion has a hard time justifying it as a mistake. See you have a problem of drawing conclusions without clarifying.


And this isn't the first time you have jumped to conclusions without fully understanding what I'm saying. I have no problem stating my case and I also have no problem standing up for an opinion even if it's rude. No a woman does not have to be married to have sex, but a I do think some commitment other than "your place or mine" would be the mark of a woman with some self respect and virtue.

I would appreciate your not jumping to conclusions about my mindset, you aren't very good at it.

[quote=fxashun;167566]Most unmarried women in sexual relationships are very commited to their partners - marriage wouldn't change this.
You do not need marriage to love, and remain commited, to someone.

I think WT has cut it pretty close to the bone. Your mindset is more than obvious. You think that a woman who has sexual relations with more than one man is a "slut." I don't know what age you grew up in, but in my age group many women had multiple partners in their lives and they were respected by men and women as women of strength and independence. By the way, many more men had multiple partners and too many had multiple partners at the same time -lying to them all to keep things going. What are these men termed, besides "studs?"

You seem to have a mommy complex, where you seek a world full of women who are virgins (like your mother must have been) just waiting for that one man to come along to fulfill all their dreams. Not a very realistic scenario in today's world.