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Gender equality and reproductive equality are two different things. Humans are equal in every way except how they reproduce, that cannot be equalised. Mother nature gives womne the brunt of the responsiblity. Now stop acting like you're daft and give into the desire to agree with me. | If Mother nature gives women the brunt of the responsibility why should they be able to dodge that responsibility by killing their unborn children?
And why should men be forced to support children they didn't want?
You've dug yourself a big hole here!
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Originally Posted by garysher If the woman decides to give birth against the wishes of the father, should he still be legally compelled to provide financial support? | Solid question, one worthy of debate.
Personally, I beleive the answer is yes. But judging from the number of deadbeat dads out there who have abandoned their children, opinions are clearly mixed.
I can definitely see the other side of this. If there were some way of legally signing the father completely out of the child's life, no contact and no financial support... that could work for those that would be willing to enter into such an arrangement. | |
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Originally Posted by garysher If Mother nature gives women the brunt of the responsibility why should they be able to dodge that responsibility by killing their unborn children?
And why should men be forced to support children they didn't want?
You've dug yourself a big hole here! | A mother should not be allowed to kill her child to dodge her responsibility. However, you assumed incorrectly that the unborn are human rather than pre-human, udeveloped clumps of cells. "Only the mystical notions of religious dogma treat this clump of cells as constituting a person." -Peikoff
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Originally Posted by fxashun What else is it? A plant? Who the hell was that hypothetical women f'ing? | A clump of cells less developed than a fly.
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Originally Posted by Anti-choice57 A mother should not be allowed to kill her child to dodge her responsibility. However, you assumed incorrectly that the unborn are human rather than pre-human, udeveloped clumps of cells. "Only the mystical notions of religious dogma treat this clump of cells as constituting a person." -Peikoff |
Who is Peikoff and why should we care what he/she says?
Or is that a typo? 
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Originally Posted by Anti-choice57 A clump of cells less developed than a fly. | That's who this hypothetical woman was f'ing? What sexual orientation is that?
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Originally Posted by Anti-choice57 He's a writer and you don't have to care what he says, but he's a lot more insightful than any priest you listen to. | Oh a writer?
Well that changes everything.
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Level up: 43%, 149 Points needed | | garysher Quote: | If Mother nature gives women the brunt of the responsibility why should they be able to dodge that responsibility by killing their unborn children? |
the aren't. they are terminating further development of a foetus. no children in the equation. Quote: | And why should men be forced to support children they didn't want? |
why should a woman be forced to give birth to a baby she doesnt want?
i can comment on the australian child support system. it is woefully ungenerous. if a father has no contact, no desire to be involved in the raising of his biological child, the burden of child support is little more than a token, and if it is never paid, it is never chased up. the assumtion is that child support goes hand in hand with parental responsibility, lots of one means lots of the other, and none or very little of one means none or very little of the other.
but of course, it is determined individually. | |
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