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Old 05-31-2008, 10:40 AM   #91 (permalink)
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In my opinion even in today's culture if a woman is married she must have agreement with her spouse before ending a pregnancy because she has taken his last name in support of his family.
And when a women decides to keep her maiden name when she gets married, what then?
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:06 AM   #92 (permalink)
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And when a women decides to keep her maiden name when she gets married, what then?
Here is my position on abortion:

Abortion is a bad thing and should only happen when a woman's life is in danger. And, I define danger as life threatening and not a stress attack.

I'm male and don't have to worry about pregnancy so perhaps I sound a little selfish.

The reason I have a position on abortion is related to personal experiences with women that have had abortions and each and every one of them feel guilty for having had one. These women include non-Christians, one a Buddhists, one atheist and one Christian. They all hate themselves or go instantly in their shell if the word abortion is uttered.

One can argue that all life is precious but if roaches were found on Mars today tomorrows headlines would read Life on Mars. I kill germs, and all vermin that invade my space and everything i consume has once lived with the exception of some liquids.

Life is a miracle and shouldn't be taken needlessly regardless if it resides in a plant, an insect or a mammal including the human. Choosing to end life should be equal to a hearing on a crime met with capital punishment in humans in my opinion. It doesn't matter if it is the woman or the man or both that decide to end life to me as it is equal to the issuance of the death sentence as if the life had committed a crime.
Old 05-31-2008, 11:52 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Wow. Sounds like you have your wife on a choke collar.

I couldn't deal with that kind of lack of privacy.

My husband and I trust each other not to do something really stupid, but both of us need more space than that.
I don't "have her" anything. It's just the way our lives work out. We are always available to each other. I have a cellphone that is on me 24/7 too. She has no reason not to trust me and have no reason not to trust her. It just works for us.

Then again, you have women that are married that still make booty calls to other people.
Not my cup of tea.
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Men just think they controlled abortion and contraception. Men were responsible for criminalizing abortion as there were few female legislators at the time, but they couldn't enforce it. Neither could it be enforced today. Until men develop the technology to implant an artificial womb in their own bodies, women will control birth and abortion just as they always have.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:56 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Ok, here's a topic to debate over. You hear both sides saying whether or not a WOMAN should be able to choose to have an abortion or not. What happened to the father? I'm sure there are many cases where the father is not there for whatever reason (rape, abandonment, etc.), but when the father is there, do you think he should have an equal say?

I say that of course he should, because while it is the woman that has to carry and give birth to the child, after that he shares the the full responsibility of caring and providing for the child. It is a choice that will affect his life just as much as the mother's, so I don't get when I read or hear someone say "you are a man, you have no right to an opinion on the matter."

I sure as hell do!
It's been a while since I posted here so I'm just doing some reading and catching up. My opinion on this is quite simple: the person who is pregnant is the person who should make the decision about having an abortion. Because only women can get pregnant, they're the ones who get to make decisions about what happens to their bodies.

While I agree that women should discuss abortion with the biological father (providing he's supportive and sane), I also feel that it shouldn't be required by law. Our bodies, our choice.

If there comes a time when modern science enables the transfer of a developing fetus to a man's body for continued gestation, then I'd be willing to re-visit this argument.

Hate is NOT a 'family value.'
Feminism: the radical notion that women are human beings.

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Old 05-31-2008, 02:25 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Men just think they controlled abortion and contraception. Men were responsible for criminalizing abortion as there were few female legislators at the time, but they couldn't enforce it. Neither could it be enforced today. Until men develop the technology to implant an artificial womb in their own bodies, women will control birth and abortion just as they always have.
No law has been created that hasn't been violated, it is the nature of man and woman to live as they feel within their own morals. Some rob, rape, kill, steal and some let their grass grow too high or paint their home with too bright colors.

When I was a kid growing up in the 1950's women and men knew their place and I'm here to tell you that women and men were much more happy in the 1950's than they are today. Gossip about a teen on vacation to a town to have a baby out of wedlock was transacted in a whisper. I'm sure those who took more drastic measures to remedy such a problem pretty much remained silent but to a close inner circle.

I didn't say there is never a situation where an abortion might be necesary but said it should be given the gravity of a murder trial.
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Gary, you keep going round and round this after it has been answered. When a man ejaculates into a woman, he is stuck with whatever choice that woman makes. There aren't any options that he can argue. If she wants to keep it, he is responsible for his share of the support. If she decides to terminate, he has no say in the matter. He made his choice when he had unprotected sex and impregnated her. The rest is up to her, because it is her body that supplies what is necessary for the development of the embryo into a fetus into a human being. No one can make that choice for her, nor should they be legally allowed to.
Exactly. Well said, waitingtables. The lesson to be learned here is that men who don't want women they're seeing to have an abortion need to control their sperm. Only when there is uncontrolled sperm do unwanted pregnancies occur.

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I don't "have her" anything.

You check on her several times a day, and she doesn't have a dime of spending money that you don't 'know about'.

That sounds like a short leash to me.



It's just the way our lives work out. We are always available to each other. I have a cellphone that is on me 24/7 too. She has no reason not to trust me and have no reason not to trust her. It just works for us.

No offense, I'm just curious, but if you trust her, why does she have to be checked on several times a day and account to you for any money she spends?

Then again, you have women that are married that still make booty calls to other people.
Not my cup of tea.
I would imagine that it's not most mens 'cup of tea'. But you know, there are just some of us out here that will only settle for some freedom, or total freedom.


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I would imagine that it's not most mens 'cup of tea'. But you know, there are just some of us out here that will only settle for some freedom, or total freedom.



Freedom?

In Britain we call it having a "bit on the side".
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Exactly. Well said, waitingtables. The lesson to be learned here is that men who don't want women they're seeing to have an abortion need to control their sperm. Only when there is uncontrolled sperm do unwanted pregnancies occur.
What about women who deliberately stop using contraception, without telling their male partners, so they can get pregnant against his will?

Should they be able to keep the baby and force him to pay child support?
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