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Old 07-03-2008, 04:20 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Medical privacy laws ensure that a woman's pregnancy remains confidential. Nobody, not even a spouse, can obtain information about a woman's pregnancy (or any other health-related information) if she chooses not to divulge it. If she chooses to abort, no personal medical information may be released to anyone she doesn't give written permission to have happen. That goes for any medical procedure or health-related personal medical information (PMI).

Not only does nobody else have a say legally in whether an abortion if performed. Nobody has a legal right to even know it occurred.

Read through the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). It explains medical privacy in graphic detail.

HHS - Office for Civil Rights - HIPAA
That's all well and good and thanks for the info, but if a woman is not telling her husband that she is pregnant with his child, they need to get a divorce and fast!
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That's all well and good and thanks for the info, but if a woman is not telling her husband that she is pregnant with his child, they need to get a divorce and fast!

OTL doesn't give a damn about men or marriage just as long as women are free to kill their babies.
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OTL doesn't give a damn about men or marriage just as long as women are free to kill their babies.
I don't think I take quite that harsh a view of it, but I see your point.
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Please leave your "god" out of this debate. Religion has nothing to do with this.


Why not?

Does your lack of religion have something to do with it??
This isn't a religion debate. Please try to focus on the topic.


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Sorry, never heard of it.
Maybe you're too young
I'm 45. That's not "too young" in most circles.


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Getting pregnant involves both genders - didn't your Mum have that little chat with you??
Usually, yes. However, the fetus is only inside the body of a woman who is taking the physical risks of pregnancy. Therefore it's her choice. Below is a list of conditions women put themselves at risk of developing during during pregnancy. Tell me how many of these things men put themselves at risk for while the woman is pregnant. I believe the answer is "zero."

  • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
  • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
  • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
  • heartburn and indigestion
  • constipation
  • weight gain
  • dizziness and light-headedness
  • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
  • hemmorhoids
  • abdominal cramps
  • yeast infections
  • congested, bloody nose
  • acne and mild skin disorders
  • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
  • mild to severe backache and strain
  • increased headaches
  • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
  • increased urination and incontinence
  • bleeding gums
  • pica
  • breast pain and discharge
  • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
  • difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
  • inability to take regular medications
  • shortness of breath
  • higher blood pressure
  • hair loss
  • tendency to anemia
  • curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
  • infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
    (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and
    are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
  • extreme pain on delivery
  • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
  • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
stretch marks (worse in younger women)
  • loose skin
  • permanent weight gain or redistribution
  • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
  • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
  • changes to breasts
  • varicose veins
  • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
  • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
  • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
  • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
  • hyperemesis gravidarum
  • temporary and permanent injury to back
  • severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
  • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
  • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
  • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
  • gestational diabetes
  • placenta previa
  • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
  • thrombocytopenic purpura
  • severe cramping
  • embolism (blood clots)
  • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
  • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
  • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
  • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
  • hormonal imbalance
  • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
  • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
  • hemorrhage and
  • numerous other complications of delivery
  • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
  • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
  • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
  • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
  • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
  • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
  • peripartum cardiomyopathy
  • cardiopulmonary arrest
  • magnesium toxicity
  • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
  • massive embolism
  • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
  • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
  • malignant arrhythmia
  • circulatory collapse
  • placental abruption
  • obstetric fistula
  • future infertility
  • permanent disability
  • death.
THE EFFECTS OF PREGNANCY - complications of pregnancy

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That's all well and good and thanks for the info, but if a woman is not telling her husband that she is pregnant with his child, they need to get a divorce and fast!
Unless he's abusive a-hole or a control freak, I totally agree with you. However it shouldn't be law for that reason.

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Old 07-03-2008, 04:34 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Because he does not have the right to make a woman do anything she does not want to do. He cannot impose his will on her, and he cannot bring the baby to term. The baby is a parasite on her system, so she gets to decide whether or not she wished to host that parasite.

Alright, but do you think it would be fair for the man to be able to wash his hands of the whole situation before the child is born, and not be responcible for the child? In the same manor she can through abortion?
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This isn't a religion debate. Please try to focus on the topic.

If we have to exclude my religious beliefs, how come you still want to include your LACK of religious beliefs??

Are you this one-sided in all your social interactions?








Usually, yes. However, the fetus is only inside the body of a woman who is taking the physical risks of pregnancy. Therefore it's her choice. Below is a list of conditions women put themselves at risk of developing during during pregnancy. Tell me how many of these things men put themselves at risk for while the woman is pregnant. I believe the answer is "zero."

Men take all kinds of risks to find and take care of women.

And it lasts a lot longer than nine months.

And they don't whine about it all the time like women do.

It all balances out in the long run
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Unless he's abusive a-hole or a control freak, I totally agree with you. However it shouldn't be law for that reason.
So if a woman gets an abortion without telling the father, even when it's her husband, she isn't being an abusive control freak??
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Unless he's abusive a-hole or a control freak, I totally agree with you. However it shouldn't be law for that reason.
You have a point there. But that falls into my "they have other issues" category and she should still get as far away from him as she can.
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OTL doesn't give a damn about men or marriage just as long as women are free to kill their babies.
Now we're resorting to asinine flames? Weak.

I believe in a woman's right of choice over her body. As long as it's her choice, I don't care what she chooses.

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