Most of "us guys" advocate abortion as a back-up to contraception. Women don't use abortion as a primary means of birth control, and you have no evidence to suggest they do. It would be too expensive in the first place, eventually cause damage to a woman's health, and abortion isn't exactly a fun afternoon. Abortion has always been available as a life-saving tactic, most people think the use of abortion is appropriate for more reasons than that and the law reflects that belief. Use of the force of law to implement one's own religious or moral beliefs is repugnant and rarely effective.

Well I'll be. Let's look at some statistics....
I say the vast majority of abortions are by little single hotties who allowed some guy to use them as a penis moisturizer and they ended up having to clean up the fallout of their carelessness.
I base that one the prevalence of single women..
For women whose marital status was adequately reported, 78% of women who obtained abortions were known to be unmarried. The abortion ratio for unmarried women was 8.8 times the ratio for married women (570 versus 65 abortions per 1,000 live births).
The age range of the women most likely to abort....
Women aged 20--24 years were known to have obtained 33% of all abortions for which age was adequately reported. Women aged <15 years were known to have obtained <1.0% of all abortions in areas where age was reported. Abortion ratios were highest for the youngest women (708 abortions per 1,000 live births for women aged <15 years) and lowest for women aged 30--34 years (145 per 1,000 live births). In contrast to abortion ratios, among women for whom age was reported, abortion rates were highest for women aged 20--24 years (33 abortions per 1,000 women) and lowest for women at the extremes of reproductive age (2 abortions per 1,000 women aged 13--14 years and 2 per 1,000 women aged 40--44 years). Among adolescents (aged <20 years), the percentage of abortions obtained increased with increasing age. However, the abortion ratio was highest for those <15 years (701 abortions per 1,000 live births)§ and lowest for those aged 19 years (324 per 1,000 live births). Conversely, the rates of abortions were lowest for adolescents aged <15 years (2 per 1,000 women aged 13--14 years) and highest for women age 19 (29 per 1,000 women aged 19 years).
Not to mention the percentage of unmarried women and the ratios..
For women whose marital status was adequately reported, 78% of women who obtained abortions were known to be unmarried. The abortion ratio for unmarried women was 8.8 times the ratio for married women (570 versus 65 abortions per 1,000 live births).
Abortion Statistics
Sorry, by 20-24, it's too late to blame "lack of sex education" on some trick getting herself tricked into getting pregnant.

And with the percentage of abortions that are multiples, I might go on out on a limb that them horny hotties are rather stupid too. As if you don't learn by the first or second abortion.
In 2000, of women who obtained an abortion and whose number of previous abortions was adequately reported, 53% were reported to have obtained an abortion for the first time. Eighteen percent of women were reported to have had two or more previous abortions.

"Back-up" to contraception my ass. Back-up to carelessness, stupidity, drunkenness, or maybe depression sounds more like it.

How does the age or marital status of a woman tell you whether she was using contraception when she conceived? Your post says that carelessness, stupidity, drunkenness, or depression must be PUNISHED by forced continuation of pregnancy/childbirth. Is it OK with you if careful, smart, sober, undepressed women abort their pregnancies? Because those women also have unwanted pregnancies.

That's dealing with individuals. I've said "the type of women most likely to".

I'm not interested if there was contraception used, that's not my argument.

My post is saying that even if you are careless, stupid drunk, or whatever, I don't think that's an excuse to kill the life your actions created.

It's not okay with me if ANY women abort their pregnancies unless it's a true life saving procedure or in the case of rape.

It would be much more useful and a lot less fake if you would make your own statements next time and not create bullshit questions on your spin of mine.

Abortion is an individual decision. Abortion only affects individuals.


Don't try to dance around it now, your post was saying that women who get pregnant as a result of carelessness, stupidity, drunkenness or whatever, must be punished by pregnancy/childbirth. The question you need to be concerned with is not why a woman got pregnant, but why she wants to get unpregnant....no wait, that's not your business either.

We've had laws like that from the mid-1900's to the 1970's, they didn't work then, and they won't work now. Some state laws didn't permit abortion even in case of rape. Make your own choices on that basis if you wish, but don't try to legislate it.

If your statement is unclear, you should be pleased to have it questioned and therefore have the opportunity to clarify for all readers.

And I consider the ZEF and individual.

But as it actually related to "abortion" as the topic we are discussing, statistically, there are certain "individuals" that are more likely to abort.

No, not really. I have already given the reasons that a woman should be allowed to get unpregnant. Otherwise, prregnancy should be as permanent and "uncurable" as herpes or HIV. Which you can't just jump on a table and have sucked out.

I don't dance around the subject, I'm as direct as I can be.

My post said that "a certain type of woman is more likely to...." And I stand by that.

I'm not a legislator, just here to present my opinion. Same as you. If there was a vote in my state, I would vote to not allow abortion unless there was a crime committed to cause it or medical need. That's what votes are, how citizens voice their opinion.

My statements aren't unclear. Your comprehension is.

That's true. Your statements are very clear, and clearly you haven't got a clue about what it means to be a pregnant woman, and you never will.

Duh....There are a lot of things that I probably will never experience based on obvious physical impossibility. I'll never be a midget, I'll never be Chinese, I'll never know what it's like to be inside another woman's womb.

I might not know what it's like to be pregnant, but I do know how it happens. Just as most other pregnant women. And killing the result of that "how it happens" is wrong except under certain specific circumstances.

And my point is that because you cannot know, you have an opinion that doesn't matter much.