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Old 08-03-2008, 04:49 PM   #51 (permalink)
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People who want families do have affection for their children (at least most do).

Women who don't want children usually don't have affection for an unwanted fetus.

There is a difference, Grace.

No there isnt
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No there isnt
There absolutely is. To say there's no difference between a woman who is willingly pregnant and someone who got pregnant accidentally (who doesn't want to be pregnant) is utterly absurd.

Hate is NOT a 'family value.'
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Abortion is a very profitable business and abortion clinics are in deplorable conditions. They can not treat a woman that is bleeding to death from a botched abortion. That seems grossly irresponsible in my book!
Cite references and examples, please. That is, references and examples that prove that "abortion clinics" are any more deplorable and any more subject to negative outcomes than hospitals.

I'm sure there are numbers out there that you believe support your Chicken Littleism.

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Planned Parenthood had $56 million in profits in 2007.
Considering that PPFAI is a registered 501(c)3 non-profit organization, that's a neat trick.

According to their tax statement, they had:

Total revenue: $57,135,488
Total expenses: $67,353,073

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...A/PPFA_990.pdf

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It is possible that the children involved in gay adoption would suffer no noticeable long-term negative effects. But it is not worth the risk. Given what we know about the results of one major change in family structure, our society should be, at the very least, reluctant to tolerate another one.

You - yet again - show that you know absolutely NOTHING about the issues you rant and rave about.

Gay couples have been raising children with NO LEGAL PROTECTIONS for centuries. Exactly HOW possible does those same children receiving legal government protections and rights create a negative effect?

I think our society can "tolerate" children being legally protected in the family structures they ARE ALREADY A PART OF.
This is coming from a Doctor that is co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey. An award-winning journalist.
My partner is a doctor - an award winning author - chairman of his department at university. He disagrees with your doctor.

My doctor can beat up your doctor.
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Until men have to deal with all the related health problems involved with cartying a preganancy to full term...Until they are the ones left "holding the bag" when birth control fails....or they've been raped....then no, they do NOT have the right to dictate to women over the abortion issue,.

And if you think it's an easy choice to make, then you haven't REALY known anyone who's had to face that situation.

Forcing someone to bring an unwanted, unplanned child to term is forcing the continued increase of population, AND increasing the numbers of ignored/abused children.
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please
they don't care if these fetuses grow in to unwanted, unloved, uncared for, abused and/or neglected childen
as long as it make it through to birth
then the thing is on its own

because, you know something, I bet that Grace is NOT going to take three or four of them into her house to feed and house and clothe and educate and LOVE for 18 years!
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they don't care if these fetuses grow in to unwanted, unloved, uncared for, abused and/or neglected childen
as long as it make it through to birth
then the thing is on its own

because, you know something, I bet that Grace is NOT going to take three or four of them into her house to feed and house and clothe and educate and LOVE for 18 years!

What Im saying Trist, is how did we let our world get so freaking evil that people dont have natural effection for their children. Why does no one have a problem that there are MILLIONS of women who would rather kill there children then raise them? WTF is wrong with people? And Im the asshole cause I cant raise all there children? Basicaly F you Trist. You would rather be part of the problem.
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If you think there haven't been mothers who had no use/affection for their children since the beginning of time, you've got your head in the sand.
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If you think there haven't been mothers who had no use/affection for their children since the beginning of time, you've got your head in the sand.
True. And human services doesn't have nearly enough resources or funding to take care of those children, let alone add another million a year into the mix. Our human services systems are underfunded, overworked, and understaffed. Yet people like Grace want to force millions more into this system. It's poor, short-sighted, irresponsible reasoning.

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