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Old 08-03-2008, 09:56 AM   #111 (permalink)
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When facing a jail term they would, most of them anyway. Your going to tell me there isnt a single women who would think twice about having a abortion after seeing their friend, family member, ect ect serve a prision term? Come on now.
I'm not saying there's "not a single woman" who wouldn't think twice. I'm sure you'd succeed in ruining some women's lives by forcing children on them they don't want and have no desire to take care of. However, millions would take the illegal route - and some would die because of it.

Don't you think a better plan would be to work toward reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies?

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Not only that, but I bet people would be far more likely to use birth control.
Maybe, but no birth control is 100% effective. There would still be unwanted pregnancies.

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Old 08-03-2008, 10:00 AM   #112 (permalink)
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I havent heard of a single pharmacist not willing to hand out birth control, that gives you the means of preventing conception BEFORE conception. And if there is such a case, it is a rare, to say the very least.
Perhaps you don't know the Catholic Church's stand on birth control.
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I'm not saying there's "not a single woman" who wouldn't think twice. I'm sure you'd succeed in ruining some women's lives by forcing children on them they don't want and have no desire to take care of. However, millions would take the illegal route - and some would die because of it.

Don't you think a better plan would be to work toward reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies?


Certainly. But how can you do that effectivly when you give people a easy out of their resonibilities? Why should anyone listen to you about birth control, when they know they can just as easy go get a abortion?

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Maybe, but no birth control is 100% effective. There would still be unwanted pregnancies.
Not if you use 2 methods.
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Perhaps you don't know the Catholic Church's stand on birth control.

Dont get me started on Catholic doctrine
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I havent heard of a single pharmacist not willing to hand out birth control, that gives you the means of preventing conception BEFORE conception. And if there is such a case, it is a rare, to say the very least.
Grace, I don't know where you live, but wherever it is, you don't get much news coverage or maybe, more likely, you have shut your eyes and refuse to see what is going on. Examples:


Pharmacists' Rights at Front Of New Debate (washingtonpost.com)
"Some pharmacists across the country are refusing to fill prescriptions for birth control and morning-after pills, saying that dispensing the medications violates their personal moral or religious beliefs"

The Drugstore War, 3 States Back Pharmacists Who Won't Fill Birth Control Prescriptions - CBS NewsAcross the country, more and more pharmacists are refusing to fill prescriptions for religious reasons.

South Dakota, Arkansas and Mississippi even have refusal clauses on the books. And 13 other states are considering mixing medicine with morality.

At Lloyd's Pharmacy in Gray, La., Lloyd Duplantis believes in prayer.
"God bless the great state of Louisiana, the parish…In the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit…" Duplantis said in a makeshift prayer group in the middle of his store.

And he believes birth control is tantamount to abortion. So, he stocks his shelves accordingly.

"I don’t sell condoms. I don't sell foams. I don't sell creams," Duplantis said. "I don't sell anything to do with contraception."
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You give examples of 3rd world countries? BS. If abortion was illegal in America, the numbers would be WAY down. This is only common sence.
People are the same everywhere. History tells us that criminalizing abortion is not effective in reducing the numbers.

Eileen's Abortion Debate Place

"One thing we can do with this chart is estimate the number of illegal abortions performed.
In 1973 eg there were 615,831 legal abortions and these resulted in 25 deaths and the deaths from illegal abortions numbered 21. Since in truth the abortion providers both legal and illegal were at that time pretty similar in skill we could anticipate that there were also ~600,000+ illegal abortions performed or in total ~1,200,000 abortions in 1973. There really was not an increase in the number of abortions performed by legalizing - just a huge decrease in women's deaths from them, as the skill, and surroundings in which abortions were performed, improved."

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"And that's how we know that there were about a million abortions a year in the two decades before legalization"
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Dont get me started on Catholic doctrine
and don't get me started on people who want to dictate legislature based on THEIR particular brand of Christianity.

I don't suppose you recognize the irony in your post?
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Certainly. But how can you do that effectivly when you give people a easy out of their resonibilities? Why should anyone listen to you about birth control, when they know they can just as easy go get a abortion?
You talk like women enjoy getting abortions.

Why do you consider it "responsible" for force women to have children they don't want and aren't going to care for?

Do you also advocate doubling the welfare budget and the children's services budget? Doubling the number of "safe haven" sites? How about offering free healthcare to women who have unplanned pregnancies?

Or do you just advocate forcing unwanted children into the world and then assume everyone's going to be "responsible?"

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Not if you use 2 methods.
I don't care if you use 12 methods; no birth control is 100% effective.

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Old 08-03-2008, 04:05 PM   #119 (permalink)
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and don't get me started on people who want to dictate legislature based on THEIR particular brand of Christianity.

I don't suppose you recognize the irony in your post?

I want to dictate legislation based on the spilt blood of millions of children. Based on the unessesary murder of the most innocent among us.I would (and have) feel the same whether or not I was a Christian.
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People are the same everywhere. History tells us that criminalizing abortion is not effective in reducing the numbers.

Eileen's Abortion Debate Place

"One thing we can do with this chart is estimate the number of illegal abortions performed.
In 1973 eg there were 615,831 legal abortions and these resulted in 25 deaths and the deaths from illegal abortions numbered 21. Since in truth the abortion providers both legal and illegal were at that time pretty similar in skill we could anticipate that there were also ~600,000+ illegal abortions performed or in total ~1,200,000 abortions in 1973. There really was not an increase in the number of abortions performed by legalizing - just a huge decrease in women's deaths from them, as the skill, and surroundings in which abortions were performed, improved."

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"And that's how we know that there were about a million abortions a year in the two decades before legalization"

Who has ever been put in prision cause they had a abortion? No one, thats who. Start putting these people away, and it will change real fast. Make people responcible for the murder of their children and we will have a whole new playing field.
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