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Old 08-04-2008, 11:18 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:19 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Easy, you go after Doctors that perform illegal abortions.
so doctors would then falsify their records so they record a termination appointment as a miscarriage. the equipment used is no different, the symptoms are subjective and unable to be disproven after the fact, the law would achieve nothing except remove any chance at keeping good records and allow people to pretend it wasnt happening.

unless there was a specific effort to perhaps covertly film doctors, plant microphones in cunsuting rooms, send in under cover cops pretending to be patients to set up the doctor by requesting a termination. this is what it would take to police it, but if this is preferable to you, i suppose you would support it.

this would of course send them underground, or require women to seek out untrained help, or just do it themselves with a coat hanger.

i do not see any of this as progress.
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Old 08-05-2008, 06:16 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Grace, these unborn terminated pregnancies are not the most innocent among us. Because they aren't among us. They haven't been murdered. They don't have souls yet according to the Torah and the Old Testament. They are not your problem, we cannot have pregnancy police and take away every right a woman has in this country. Women have been terminating their unwanted pregnancies since they were able to understand their bodies. Live your life according to your princples because that is your right, forcing your principles onto the rest of us, is not.

You show me anywhere in the old test where unborn children dont have souls? Good luck, cause it isnt there. In fact, the old test says that God knew us BEFORE we got to the womb.

And no one wants to "take away every right a women has in this country". I cant even begin to imagine where you come up with this crap. People are being killed, by the thousands everyday. You may think its not my concern, but it most certainly is. It makes me want to puke that you dont feel its your concern.
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In order for you to find out if a woman was planning an abortion, or to charge with a crime after an abortion, you would need to impinge on most of her rights to do so. That is what I'm talking about, and if you can't follow an idea through to it's end, that isn't my fault. And in the Old Testament it says that a baby didn't start with a soul, it is entered into the childs body during the last stages of pregnancy, or after the "quickening", when the first movements are felt. Not my words, but the O.T. and the early Christian fathers. Now, I know that you like to think otherwise, but you can't make all women think the way you do.
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People are being killed, by the thousands everyday. You may think its not my concern, but it most certainly is. It makes me want to puke that you dont feel its your concern.
Grace, non-viable fetuses aren't "people."

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In order for you to find out if a woman was planning an abortion, or to charge with a crime after an abortion, you would need to impinge on most of her rights to do so.
In addition, the HIPAA privacy law prohibits the sharing of personal medical information with anyone without the patient's written permission.

In other words, not only does no one else have a right to make a woman's medical decisions (including abortion) for her, they have no legal right to know an abortion was even performed. Under this law, not even a spouse has a right to private medical information (PMI) without the patient's written consent.

HHS - Office for Civil Rights - HIPAA

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Old 08-05-2008, 08:28 AM   #147 (permalink)
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And that is how it should be. We have rights that are protected under the 9th ammendment of the Constitution, even if they are not specifically stated in the rest of it. But people who don't read the Constitution don't know that and they obviously think that they are free to control women like property when they are pregnant.
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Easy, you go after Doctors that perform illegal abortions.
Your statement wasn't about arresting the doctor. It was about arresting the woman.


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Old 08-05-2008, 05:19 PM   #149 (permalink)
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In order for you to find out if a woman was planning an abortion, or to charge with a crime after an abortion, you would need to impinge on most of her rights to do so. That is what I'm talking about, and if you can't follow an idea through to it's end, that isn't my fault. And in the Old Testament it says that a baby didn't start with a soul, it is entered into the childs body during the last stages of pregnancy, or after the "quickening", when the first movements are felt. Not my words, but the O.T. and the early Christian fathers. Now, I know that you like to think otherwise, but you can't make all women think the way you do.

Please provide book chapter and verse. And Good luck BTW, cause you are not going to find it.
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so doctors would then falsify their records so they record a termination appointment as a miscarriage. the equipment used is no different, the symptoms are subjective and unable to be disproven after the fact, the law would achieve nothing except remove any chance at keeping good records and allow people to pretend it wasnt happening.

unless there was a specific effort to perhaps covertly film doctors, plant microphones in cunsuting rooms, send in under cover cops pretending to be patients to set up the doctor by requesting a termination. this is what it would take to police it, but if this is preferable to you, i suppose you would support it.

this would of course send them underground, or require women to seek out untrained help, or just do it themselves with a coat hanger.

i do not see any of this as progress.

Never heard of under cover police work hu?
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