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Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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Old 08-21-2008, 12:48 PM   #261 (permalink)
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How do you say that nothing has come to pass when there have been 6 people charged? I'm not getting your inability to see that there have been arrests and charges filed.
6 people charged doesn't vindicate them for taking all the kids from their homes. Not to mention that they have been charged based on evidence that more than likely will be proven inadmissible in court. Charges don't equal convictions. Taking the kids in the first place could be considered "charges" and you see how that worked out.
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this seems to be the essence of this debate. most arguments eventually boil down to this discrepancy, when does a human being become a human being.

some argue it is at conception. some that it is at birth. some that it is at some point in between. whatever your position on this issue, it seems that this is the defining element of the debate. i have yet to meet anyone who thinks it is ok to kill an innocent child. the issue is when IS a child ?

firstly, does shift in the debate seem appropriate for other readers, or am i missing something ? we can debate abortion, and related issues like contraception, but if it comes down to "when does a human being become a human being" lets specifically debate that.

please tell me what you think.
At the moment of conception life begins. It is that simple.

Just as a seed in the ground is a plant from the moment it begins to grow. Since we cannot see it with our eyes so we can visualize it as life so we do not recongnize it is a plant until we see it fully formed. So is a child in the womb unseen life until the child breaches the womb.
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A seed begins as a plant as soon as it's planted...and is capable of preforming its own life functions. An embryo cannot.
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Even the seed needs sunshine and water to grow. Which the seed would not recieve if had not been given from above. The plant cannot even sustain itself standing alone without the rest of the creation for support.

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Technically...Even after a seed is a plant, it isn't a fully developed plant.

It's a SEEDLING.




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Even the seed needs sunshine and water to grow. Which the seed would not recieve if had not been given from above. The plant cannot even sustain itself standing alone without the rest of the creation for support.
MOST plants need sunshine...Most plants need water.

But there are varieties of plants that sunshine or too much water can kill them.

Hence the reason we have different varieties of plants for shade, semi-sunshine, full sunshine, maximum water and minimal water.

In otherwords, the enviroment it's planted in has to be just right, for it to reach it's potential.




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Even the seed needs sunshine and water to grow. Which the seed would not recieve if had not been given from above. The plant cannot even sustain itself standing alone without the rest of the creation for support.
ANd we as humans need food and water....

The seedling can process the the sunlight and water. A fetus cannot. It relies on the mother's body for everything.
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ANd we as humans need food and water....

The seedling can process the the sunlight and water. A fetus cannot. It relies on the mother's body for everything.
Ok Bronwyn Sis...Here's where we'll have one of those few disagreements of ours.

I agree with the bit of a plant can process sunlight and water.

BUT, that's only part of the growth process for a plant. It's also dependant on what nutrients the enviroment around it is provided as well. If it's planted in poor soil, it will wither away or not fully develope. It's sensitive to temperatures as well, that can stunt or kill it. Just as too much/too little of sunshine or water will affect it's growth/life.

So a plant seed is as dependant on it's enviroment, as a fetus is. The earth is it's 'womb' in a ways. And if the enviroment is hostile or not adequate? The the seed doesn't mature into a fully grown plant or has defects because of the things it's enviroment lacked or had an overabundance of.




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I concur.

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MOST plants need sunshine...Most plants need water.

But there are varieties of plants that sunshine or too much water can kill them.

Hence the reason we have different varieties of plants for shade, semi-sunshine, full sunshine, maximum water and minimal water.

In otherwords, the enviroment it's planted in has to be just right, for it to reach it's potential.
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Yes, I agree with you about that fx. However, some aspects of history have not been addressed or even validated because they are not "important" enough. And that is where people have to remind others and show the true history, which hasn't even been taught yet, in order for there to be any changes. Women's issues touch every aspect of our society, and have recieved very little attention until recently. I don't think that you can argue that women have recieved equal treatment under the law, at the least up until our generation. So discussing issues that are still in the process of change, isn't wallowing. If you don't know the true story, you can't change anything.
Americans can start by telling the truth about woman's suffrage.
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