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Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum.

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Old 08-25-2008, 07:52 PM   #271 (permalink)
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You are right Ali. I guwess I am looking at it like this: As long as everything there is in place, the seed will grow, and not sap usually sap or cause "health" issues for its "womb" I don't see a seed as a parasitic growth. A fetus is parastic, for those first three or four months.
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:49 PM   #272 (permalink)
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At the moment of conception life begins. It is that simple.
so when is the moment of conception? when the sperm first meets the egg, or when it first penetrates the egg membrane, or when the chromosomes begin to unravel, or when the chromosomes pair up, or when the chromosomes are arranged in a manner able to divide and grow ? the "moment" of conception is a process that takes hours. if life can be reduced to a moment, which moment is it ?

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Just as a seed in the ground is a plant from the moment it begins to grow.
exactly. but a seed is already fertilised, in other words the tree is 'conceived' before it gets into the ground. if life begins at conception, then a seed is already a tree long before it is planted.

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Since we cannot see it with our eyes so we can visualize it as life so we do not recongnize it is a plant until we see it fully formed. So is a child in the womb unseen life until the child breaches the womb.
no debate that the contents of the womb are living cells. the debate is whether or not it is a person. likewise, there is no debate that a seed is built of fertilised living cells, yet it seems it is not yet a tree.
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:19 PM   #273 (permalink)
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Even the seed needs sunshine and water to grow. Which the seed would not recieve if had not been given from above. The plant cannot even sustain itself standing alone without the rest of the creation for support.
Many people do not think this is a personal private decision.

Some people think they must force their religion on disbelievers.

If their religion is not accepted, all disbelievers will be ridiculed with terms like bigot, woman haters, imbeciles, Nazis, wife beaters etc.......
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this seems to be the essence of this debate. most arguments eventually boil down to this discrepancy, when does a human being become a human being.

some argue it is at conception. some that it is at birth. some that it is at some point in between. whatever your position on this issue, it seems that this is the defining element of the debate. i have yet to meet anyone who thinks it is ok to kill an innocent child. the issue is when IS a child ?

firstly, does shift in the debate seem appropriate for other readers, or am i missing something ? we can debate abortion, and related issues like contraception, but if it comes down to "when does a human being become a human being" lets specifically debate that.

please tell me what you think.
Babies in the womb have their own blood type, DNA genetic code, 50% of the time have a different sex, their own heart beat.
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Many people do not think this is a personal private decision.

Some people think they must force their religion on disbelievers.

If their religion is not accepted, all disbelievers will be ridiculed with terms like bigot, woman haters, imbeciles, Nazis, wife beaters etc.......
How about murderers.
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How about you talk to me about it when you are a pregnant woman? Or how bout when you are a woman? Then you can stand back and throw out labels, but until then, you have no right to judge something that you will never experience. I could call our president a murderer much more easily that I could a woman who terminates an unwanted pregnancy.
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How about you talk to me about it when you are a pregnant woman? Or how bout when you are a woman? Then you can stand back and throw out labels, but until then, you have no right to judge something that you will never experience. I could call our president a murderer much more easily that I could a woman who terminates an unwanted pregnancy.
I don't believe anyone should have the right, or choice, to murder. There is no excuse.
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If their religion is not accepted, all disbelievers will be ridiculed with terms like bigot, woman haters, imbeciles, Nazis, wife beaters etc.......
Abortion is not a religious decision; it is the choice murdering your unborn child or not.
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How about you talk to me about it when you are a pregnant woman? Or how bout when you are a woman? Then you can stand back and throw out labels, but until then, you have no right to judge something that you will never experience. I could call our president a murderer much more easily that I could a woman who terminates an unwanted pregnancy.
Also, nobody is stopping the termination of pregnancy; the pregnancy will terminate regardless. I am against the termination of the child.
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ANd we are saying since you have no idea what a woman goes through when pregnant, you don't have a right to tell us what we can and cannot do with OUR bodies.
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