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Old 05-03-2006, 03:22 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Wow, Jefferson is an adult? I had him confused with a little imature rabid 13-year old.

Funny how post-graduates can't grasp the basic concepts of mature debate, isn't it?
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Old 05-03-2006, 04:02 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Wow, Jefferson is an adult? I had him confused with a little imature rabid 13-year old.

Funny how post-graduates can't grasp the basic concepts of mature debate, isn't it?
Wow, another pointless inane post.

Does that make 228 now?
Old 05-03-2006, 04:32 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Wow, another pointless inane post.

Does that make 228 now?
I dunno. I made the same mistake about you myself
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Now who has carried their points in this most recent exchange...

The person whose question(s) have gone unanswered [that would be Jefferson]
Or the people who have found it necessary to personally attack him as an example of "mature debate".
Old 05-03-2006, 06:18 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Thank you for the link,
intangible child.
I remember reading about Ram Dass's experience giving acid to the guy in India (in The Only Dance There Is).

So far I just got to skim through the first part of the link but will look forward to reading it later.

I don't drink alcohol very frequently but do hit the reefer occasionally, and have done acid maybe 20 times by a conservative estimate though not since 1988.

Again, the part of "no intoxicants" that would give me the biggest problem would be giving up my coffee twice a day.
Probably hard to believe, but true.
Old 05-03-2006, 07:53 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Link doesn't work.
Why am I not surprised?
Better get a better server!

It's all good, maybe it's that the ol dial up just running too slow?

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Old 05-03-2006, 09:02 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Ahem...citation please ?
Could you show me some evidence that "thigh as used in the Bible" is also used to describe genitalia?
And even if so, you wrote that it is usually *male genitalia*, which makes this remote from the abortion discussion...

Even if your information were accurate, that would not be an abortion.
It would be a miscarriage.
A citation where the word "thigh" is used as a phallic reference:
Exodus 1:5
The (original) number of Jacob's direct descendants, including Joseph who was in Egypt, was 70.
The word originally used, which we have written as 'direct descendants' translates literally as 'souls emanating from Jacob's thigh.'

The word thigh was used as a phallic reference in this example.

As for whether or not this post has anything to do with abortion and not a miscarriage, I will refer to the first post by intangiblechild, last paragraph:

There is actually one commandment from God to Moses to have a priest mix a potion that might produce an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31).

Were there herbs and plants that were used in Biblical times that could be used to induce an abortion and would a priest know how to mix herbs to produce a tonic that would cause a woman to abort? Don't doubt it.

Preoccupation with other peoples sexual practices and keeping women from sexual and reproductive free will permeates the Bible. They would do just about anything they could to keep their women under control, including stoning them to death for having sex with someone of their choice, justifying it by claiming God willed it because they committed adultery, on a husband they were given to as property in marriage, so yes, forced abortion fits right in with the mind-set.
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People ought to be aware of the FACT that, even though something might be "mentioned" in the Bible, it does not mean that it is condoned or encouraged.
Old 05-03-2006, 09:19 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Thank you for the link,
intangible child.
I remember reading about Ram Dass's experience giving acid to the guy in India (in The Only Dance There Is).

So far I just got to skim through the first part of the link but will look forward to reading it later.

I don't drink alcohol very frequently but do hit the reefer occasionally, and have done acid maybe 20 times by a conservative estimate though not since 1988.

Again, the part of "no intoxicants" that would give me the biggest problem would be giving up my coffee twice a day.
Probably hard to believe, but true.
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Thank you for the link,
intangible child.
I remember reading about Ram Dass's experience giving acid to the guy in India (in The Only Dance There Is).

So far I just got to skim through the first part of the link but will look forward to reading it later.

I don't drink alcohol very frequently but do hit the reefer occasionally, and have done acid maybe 20 times by a conservative estimate though not since 1988.

Again, the part of "no intoxicants" that would give me the biggest problem would be giving up my coffee twice a day.
Probably hard to believe, but true.
Yeah, I only drink coffee twice a day too - in the AM and in the PM.
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