So True.

Scared, convenience, easy way out, lifestyle more important, no morals, et al.

Yes, change the defined terms and try to push your illicit activity past the sheeple.

Thanks for the welcome Lidwen Wraith!

I think you are much closer in your second posting to what the Catholic Church teaches regarding abortion. Thanks for clarifying!

My understanding is that abortion is never morally licit - as it is the killing of an innocent human life. In the case of ectopic pregnancies or other complications where the mother's life is mortally in danger due to the pregnancy, proceedures may be performed to save the mother that could result in the termination of the pregnancy.

The intent of the proceedure is to save the mother's life. The unintended (but known) consequence is that the child is killed in the course of the proceedure.

Abortion will always exist as long as there are unwanted pregnancies. It makes no difference if it is legal or not. Cytotec is a legitimate drug used for illness and almost always causes abortion, like the abortion pill.... Abortion is a side effect.... There are actually web sites telling where to get this pill and how to use it when legal abortion is not available. Abortion may or may not be murder, but it goes on regardless. (Too many women among my family and friends have chosen legal and illegal abortions.....I am pro-choice myself.) You can't stop others from doing what YOU feel is wrong, whether it is doing drugs, drinking, unmarried sex, adultery, or abortion..... I have given up even thinking I could change others' beliefs..... All I can do is get what I need, when I need it, legal or not......(not just birth control or abortion).....

You can ban it but you can't stop it.....

ccvasquez: The kid is cute......but the work involved.... (groan).... Sorry, I couldn't resist. (I didn't see the cigarette the first time.....how about banning smoking? Well it is an idea....)

Actually, I knew a young lady who died giving birth because she needed a C section and turned out she was allergic to the anethesia. Apparently its not something they can test for ahead of time. She was only 22 and I felt so bad for her husband. Any surgery has risks. Believe me, when I needed a c-section after that, I chose a local rather than general anethesia and have done so the few times I've had to have minor surgery since. Can't do it in all cases but I'm determined not to let anyone put me under unless I have to!

I do have one point to make that I hope both sides could agree on. I see a lot of mention of adoption as an alternative to abortion. I agree there are a lot of couples who would like to adopt but I don't know how aware you all are that adopting American children is not "in fashion" right now. I know of several childless couples who wouldn't even consider trying to adopt a child in this country. They wanted a little China doll and nothing else would do. Because of the increased demand in China adoptions, they apparently aren't able to crank they out fast enough to satisfy the American market and there is now anywhere from 24-36 month waits for babies. Meanwhile, children sit in foster homes and orphanages in our own country. I would like to see foreign adoptions eliminated until every child in this country has found a home - idealistic I know but just maybe that would cut down on the number of abortions a little. At least knowing they had a CHANCE to be adopted might swing someone's decision. As it is now, their chances of be adopted are slim to none, especially if they are not "perfect".

Send them my way. I have a brother-in-law & his wife who are trying to adopt.

The Catholic Church must have changed their stance. I always understood that abortion was never allowed. If it was a choice between mother and child, the child was to be saved. Something about the mother having had a chance to redeem herself but the child did not - don't remember it all now but that was the gist of it. I know religions change their stance on things all the time - can't keep up. Weren't there a lot stricter rules about divorce and marrying inthe church (if you had been previously married, etc)?

Have they considered a little older child? I know most people want a baby but every week I see the most adorable little children on our local TV station. They always feature kids that are waiting to be adopted. If I weren't so old and cranky, I'd take one myself. I have to settle for taking in all the critters instead.