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Old 09-06-2008, 01:04 PM   #121 (permalink)
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But if you isolate an undifferentiated cell from a blastocyst, implant it in another woman, it has the potential to become a baby.

And it could be argued, factually so, that it, too, also "started as a sperm or egg, then became a zygote, then started to divide into other cells with the purpose of becoming a human life."

So, once again, why deny every single cell in a blastocyst the supposed right to be individually gestated when they, in fact, and just like the blastocyst as a whole, have the potential to become a viable "baby?"
But that doesn't usually happen after a hard night of partying and drunken sex. I get the impression that to make that happen, it takes a slight bit of forethought and planning. Just a hunch.

I doubt any woman has ever wanted to abort that "implanted blastocyst" she rammed up her crotch a month earlier. I may be wrong though.
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But that doesn't usually happen after a hard night of partying and drunken sex. I get the impression that to make that happen, it takes a slight bit of forethought and planning. Just a hunch.

I doubt any woman has ever wanted to abort that "implanted blastocyst" she rammed up her crotch a month earlier. I may be wrong though.
It is simply inconsistent for anyone to declare that some supposed right to be gestated exists for a zygote or a blastocyst as a whole, yet deny that same right to any individual cell in a blastocyst.

And I think that it is very likely that anyone who holds such a hypocritical belief only holds such a belief because they view forced gestation as a sort of punishment for women who no longer want to remain pregnant.
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But if you isolate an undifferentiated cell from a blastocyst, implant it in another woman, it has the potential to become a baby.

And it could be argued, factually so, that it, too, also "started as a sperm or egg, then became a zygote, then started to divide into other cells with the purpose of becoming a human life."

So, once again, why deny every single cell in a blastocyst the supposed right to be individually gestated when they, in fact, and just like the blastocyst as a whole, have the potential to become a viable "baby?"

What is the likelihood that this cell, of a blastocyst, will become a baby? Is not sex sexual intercourse the major method of procreation? My point again is that abortion should not be treated as a contraceptive, just becuase pregnancy is inconvenient for the mother and father.

AND, if we are to remove all the daughter cells from a blastocyst (and the woman) and leave the parent zygote cell intact, and that zygote cell dies since it only has so many divisions at its disposal, would a (supposed) "murder" occur?
Why would one remove all those daughter cells in the first place? Is this scenario prevalent? Again, I think that women should not have the right to abort their baby due to an inconvenience; abortion should not be treated as a contraceptive.
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It is simply inconsistent for anyone to declare that some supposed right to be gestated exists for a zygote or a blastocyst as a whole, yet deny that same right to any individual cell in a blastocyst.

And I think that it is very likely that anyone who holds such a hypocritical belief only holds such a belief because they view forced gestation as a sort of punishment for women who no longer want to remain pregnant.
Its actually quite normal to view life as something precious; not at your disposal.
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Its actually quite normal to view life as something precious; not at your disposal.
Why should someone consider an undifferentiated mass of human cells precious?

The truth is, we all pick our own criteria by which we consider some life "precious."

Apparently we have chosen different criteria...
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It is simply inconsistent for anyone to declare that some supposed right to be gestated exists for a zygote or a blastocyst as a whole, yet deny that same right to any individual cell in a blastocyst.
Not really. Since whenever Mr. Blastocyst is actually implanted and is said foreign body, that's an entirely different issue than the reason most women are pregnant and the reason they are getting an abortion. Coming up with a science experiment and comparing it to the "normal" way babies are created is disingenuous.

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Well considering how far you had to go from actual reality with your "blastocyst" story, your "thinking" is quite questionable as well. When a woman pees on a stick and it turns blue, her first thoughts aren't about a "blastocyst". Whether she wants to be pregnant or not.
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Old 09-06-2008, 06:25 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Why should someone consider an undifferentiated mass of human cells precious?

The truth is, we all pick our own criteria by which we consider some life "precious."

Apparently we have chosen different criteria...
Since most women that have abortions already have one child, someone ought to ask them if they consider this next child they are having killed nothing more than a undifferentiated mass of cells. And then ask here where her first child came from. THAT might be enlightening to the amount of bullshitting you have to do to your self, or you'll just expose the definition of a hypocrite.
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You can't say anything about it, you are a man. And you sit back and say most women this and most women that, but you have access personally to how many women? Any of you, fx, cactus, etc? Think what you will, and work on running your own lives and let us run ours. Embryos aren't separate beings, they live in another person's body, and can't survive if they are removed in the first trimester. You men aren't going to convince women of anything, at least until you gestate a human inside your own body.
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:11 PM   #129 (permalink)
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You can't say anything about it, you are a man. And you sit back and say most women this and most women that, but you have access personally to how many women? Any of you, fx, cactus, etc? Think what you will, and work on running your own lives and let us run ours. Embryos aren't separate beings, they live in another person's body, and can't survive if they are removed in the first trimester. You men aren't going to convince women of anything, at least until you gestate a human inside your own body.
I can say anything I want to. That's the cool thing about this site. I've been on both sides of this decision. I've already paid for an abortion. And I have a son with my wife who I am thankful for having. The abortion that I paid for was money well spent as far as I'm concerned. But there is no way that I would go in that direction now.
And as I have said before, even making that "choice" women are still making victims of themselves. So go right ahead and choose abortion. As you are saying, it really doesn't "matter". And again considering the few abortions by married women vs. unmarried single mothers, you are still doing men favors by being the sexual pincushions and rewarding both gender's lack of responsibility.
It's just a shame the mental acrobatics some people have to go through instead of just saying "I'm a ho and I don't wanna be a momma...again".
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Why should someone consider an undifferentiated mass of human cells precious?

The truth is, we all pick our own criteria by which we consider some life "precious."

Apparently we have chosen different criteria...
Like I stated earlier, women should not have the right to kill out of convenience, nor should they treat abortion as a means of contraception.
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