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Old 10-03-2008, 10:12 AM   #301 (permalink)
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The religious institutions see women's reproductive freedom as a threat to their existence. They will never stop trying to drag us back into the cave where they dominate us.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:40 PM   #302 (permalink)
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The religious institutions see women's reproductive freedom as a threat to their existence. They will never stop trying to drag us back into the cave where they dominate us.
More likely, they see abortion as a murder; a waste of life.
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Lol, you think something the size of a kidney bean can 'suffer' and feel pain and emotion?

No one suffers, the fetus/embryo is not even aware of it's existance.
Yes.

Not according to the Mayo Clinic. By week, according to the pregnancy calendar, a baby has a heart, brain, spinal, and even some vital organs.

Ignorance is bliss.
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Why is it that pro lifers always bring up the slavery argument when they are told that a fetus isn't a person?

Seriously, are you lot that short of an argument you have to rehash the slavery thing over and over again?
Simple. Try to follow.
The gov't says that legally women have the right abort their baby. Just something is legal, that doesn't mean it is morally right.

Slavery was legal in the US for hundreds of years. Does that make it morally right, or correct? No. Those laws were overturned, thankfully. So, laws are not always morally right.
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So tell us how you spent your 9 months in the womb? I wanted to catch up on my reading, but dammit, my eyes weren't developed yet and it was too dark anyway. So I decided to just swim laps to get into shape.
Thats a ridiculus statement. Do you remember what happened when you were 1 minute out of the womb? 10 minutes, 1000 minutes, 10,000 minutes? How about 1 year, 2 years, 3 years? Tell me exactly what took place, and back it up with documentation and eyewitnesses.

My guess is that you don't know. So, because you can't recall what took place, does that make you under developed or not alive? What about all the people with alzheimer disease? They don't remember things.

That was too easy.
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I have no idea why pro-fetus people do that. It's an absurd analogy. They're comparing living, breathing people to non-sentient fetuses who are feeding off the bodies of (in the case of abortion) women who don't want to be pregnant.

Last I checked, women weren't brood mares.
We can't (and shouldn't) be forced to breed.
Actually, we're comparing legality and morality.
Instead, killing machines.
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cactus, sorry it has taken me so long to reply to your question about whether or not you need a vagina to know what murder is. The answer is yes, you do need a vagina to judge whether or not an abortion is murder. And you are right, you don't have one. So you are entitled to your own opinion about the subject, but you are not entitled to prevent them or legislate your views.
So, then all judges should be women? That's rather sexist.

I'm looking out for the baby's and the mother's health.

And further more, if only a women should make the decision because she is bearing, then why do we assume the baby agrees with the mother? Do we know for sure that the baby doesn't want to live?
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So, then all judges should be women? That's rather sexist.

I'm looking out for the baby's and the mother's health.

How wonderful of you! What WOULD we poor silly women do without you to protect us from ourselves!

And further more, if only a women should make the decision because she is bearing, then why do we assume the baby agrees with the mother? Do we know for sure that the baby doesn't want to live?
The 'baby' doesn't get to vote. Neither does a 4 year old who needs its mothers bone marrow to survive.
Bother not the cat. For they are sneaky and will piss on thy keyboard.
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The 'baby' doesn't get to vote. Neither does a 4 year old who needs its mothers bone marrow to survive.
So should we kill, abort the 4 year old b/c it cramps the mothers life? How silly to think that.
The 'baby' is a living being, and abortion is of no need.
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So should we kill, abort the 4 year old b/c it cramps the mothers life? How silly to think that.
The 'baby' is a living being, and abortion is of no need.
Do we force the mother to allow her body to be used against her will because the person who needs it is a 'living being'?

As far as abortion being 'of no need': I became pregnant 15 years after a tubal ligation. Had I not miscarried, my choices would have been abortion, or probable death from kidney failure.

You may not consider my life qualifies as a 'need', but I and many others do.
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