All of a sudden this is a separation of powers thing. If you think that because the Constitution states that the country will be governed by the people as in the public make all of the decisions you are horribly wrong. Electoral college? Elected representatives? No, the people have a very active role in the government but it is up to them only to choose representatives that they think will make the right decisions. Obviously, you can't win every time. Many pro-lifers knock on the Supreme Court just because that was the instituion where the freedom of choice for abortion came from. If you study constitutional law and the Supreme Court you will see a very clear progression about the philosophy of the Supreme Court's role. Has any President complained about the Executive branch breaching original constitutional guidelines since Franklin Delano Roosevelt's presidency? I think not and the answer is very obviously because politicians enjoy power. FDR empowered the presidency far beyond anyone else and I don't think his successors ever once mentioned that it was a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that checks and balances were set up in a certain way so that when the Court declares something unconstitutional that is the last stop. Only the Court can reverse its decision. A referendum will not change anything and most likely a congressional bill banning abortion will never happen because it will be struck down in most federal court circuits. You can sit there and bash the Supreme Court but you're really just being ignorant because that branch of government preserves and has preserved more freedoms that Americans hold dear to their hearts then they probably realize. Furthermore, of all the branchs it is easily the least corrupt or corruptable and I personally think that gives it some higher ground. I guess this really gets to the essence of why I can't stand most abortion arguments. I look at it from a completely legal standpoint and I just do not see how it could be any other way.

Very much doubt it!

Court Backs Religious Right to Hallucinogenic Tea
Feb. 21, 2006 — The Supreme Court ruled unanimously that a congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as part of a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

In their first religious freedom decision under Chief Justice John Roberts, the justices moved decisively to keep the government out of a church's religious practice. In the decision, Roberts wrote that federal drug agents should have been barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based church and that the Bush administration had failed to meet its burden under a federal religious freedom law to show that it should be allowed to ban "the sect's sincere religious practice."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1644314

Some people don't like the death penalty and think it's morally wrong, but it's legal.

The Pro-choice people came up with this debate of when life begins at the very beginning of the abortion debate 30 yrs ago and it's still not a given. I think that abortion has changed our society a lot. I also think abortion is about power more than anything. It was a way for women to have more power then men. Men had the power before abortion, but then women wanted control over life and death, and they got it. I don't think it's really a big plus for women, and it is a societal thing. Society decides what is right and wrong, and laws can be persuasive, but they aren't the only factor. Most women to this day won't admit to having an abortion, and if they do they will be looked at differently. Say it isn't so, but it is. If society really accepted it, it would be tossed around in everyday conversation.

I don't understand how this part of your argument makes any sense, even while disregarding the fact that you provide no evidence for such a general statement. How is it about power at all and how is it that at some level all women will agree that this is so? When did men ever have the power over life and death in this sense? Let's hypothetically say there is an answer to the previous question, how did Roe take that power from men and give it to women?

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I also think abortion is about power more than anything. It was a way for women to have more power then men. Men had the power before abortion, but then women wanted control over life and death, and they got it.

I agee fully aMFliberal, there is no justification for Marilyn Monroe's take, the reality is the republican's want to cut all social program's so intern they "just like to see people suffer"!

Ending a pregnancy, trying to control women’s lives, gov't interfering w/ doctor-patients.

The Birth Tax: each child enters the world under the weight of Republican debt burden

Republican policies have made us WEAK militarily, diplomatically, economically, environmentally, and in homeland security.



An abortion is a thing between the person and GOD, the murder of Iraqis are the fault of those who back the perpetrator!

Women always had control over who gets born, but now they have the power over who dies. It's quite simple, and it is powerful.

Some people view this as murder, and we are a society. No one group has control. The govt does have the right to interfere with doctor/patient, and they do on many levels. Try getting pain pills and see how easy that is.

We've almost always had huge debt. Look at our history. We'll do ok if we don't give up.

[qoute]Republican policies have made us WEAK militarily, diplomatically, economically, environmentally, and in homeland security. [/quote]

I don't see where we are weak. We still have a military. A lot of European countries have almost no military of their own. Diplomatically comes and goes with the wind. Economically we seem just fine. We at least have a Homeland Security now and a Chief of that Department.


An abortion is a thing between the person and GOD, the murder of Iraqis are the fault of those who back the perpetrator!

We aren't murdering Iraqi's, that's rhetoric. Our intent is to aid the Iraqi's, and help them rebuild, nothing more. Accidently killing Iraqi's in a war situation is not murder.

I'm not against abortion in reality. I do think that it is what it is though. It's not all dressed up and has no consequences on society.

You cannot enter into conflictand then not take responsibility for deaths that result from that conflict. While a bomb may veer off it's course and kill people accidentally, it doesn't absolve the party who fired the bomb from responsibility.

Intent was to aid the iraqis and rebuild. Dude the only reason they have anything to RE-build is because the US bombed the shit outta them inthe first place. And incidentally that was NOT the given reason for the invasion. It came as an afterthought.

Off the topic i know but i just had to mess with this bit

Clearly they did not because Roe happened.

And how exactly does this prove that this is why women collectively got together and decided they wanted abortion to be legal (even considering if that was a realistic possibility, which it is not)??

There are two camps: One side considers abortion murder and the other side doesn't care one way or the other as long as abortion is legal and available if ever "needed"........ Everybody preaches to the converted. Abortions, like sex, will never stop, at least not in our lifetimes..... Legal or not..... People simply have different beliefs and moral systems and there ain't nothing you can do about it...... I enjoy the debates, but I also know that they are in vain....... People only switch sides--either side--if something happens to THEM....

They had some control, not absolute, but some. Abortion was considered ok till like the mid-1800's, so this has evolved back and forth. There also was infanticide which was pretty popular in the Roman days, but I suspect it has been something that was done much longer than that. Men would do the same thing if it were them having the babies, but since it was women, they had the control to some degree depending on what they could get away with.

Having more control is a by-product of abortion, but this is a good thing really. Having control makes you more powerful. I don't think power was what they were after, just a more even playing field.