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Old 01-12-2007, 10:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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is abortion okay in cases of incest and rape?

and what if the mother and baby will die in the birth process? should the mother get an abortion then?
Abortion is acceptable to me in those instances, and any other. It is not my decision to make, it is the woman's, and all decision making rests with her, as it should.
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Old 01-15-2007, 08:12 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Abortion is acceptable to me in those instances, and any other. It is not my decision to make, it is the woman's, and all decision making rests with her, as it should.

Im totaly against abortion. But if I wasnt, I'd be so pissed that the Guy has no say. Her body? Forget that. A women can murder a unborn baby for any damn reason she wants to. Money being probably at least close to the #1 reason. And I'd bet ALOT of abortions have NOTHING to do with there bodies. Im not saying he should be able to force her to have an abortion, but he should be able to wash his hands of it as well, say within the first 3 months. Considering the womens right to do so, why shouldnt the guy be able to? His life is just as effected as hers. Some times more so.
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Im totaly against abortion. But if I wasnt, I'd be so pissed that the Guy has no say. Her body? Forget that. A women can murder a unborn baby for any damn reason she wants to. Money being probably at least close to the #1 reason. And I'd bet ALOT of abortions have NOTHING to do with there bodies. Im not saying he should be able to force her to have an abortion, but he should be able to wash his hands of it as well, say within the first 3 months. Considering the womens right to do so, why shouldnt the guy be able to? His life is just as effected as hers. Some times more so.
I don't believe a man should have to support a child he never wanted. If he does not wish to be a father, he should not be expected to pay child support for a choice which never rested with him in the first place.
Old 01-18-2007, 06:21 AM   #34 (permalink)
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one of the most important things to look at this issue is whether or not its right or wrong but who has the choice is this matter?

If you make abortion illegal, it will be a repeat of what happened during the acholol ban. People were smuggling acholol when they can and it begain a new kind of crime.

If you make it illegal woman will be in the streets with coathangers like they use to. Which will indanger their lives.

So the real question is who should have the choice? the state or the woman?

There is no way the courts will over-rule Roe vs. Wade because of the fact that about half the population believes that it is the choice of a woman.

I think everyone is intitled to their opinion on this issue. But the only way abortion is going to be viewed as a unmoral act is if you change the hearts of people, not by the law.

One person's beliefs should not be forced on anothers.
First this prove that over half the population still believes this is true. The majority of polls show that 60% of people believe that abortion should not be allowed on demand but only to save the life of the mother and in the cases of rape and incest.

Second, the issue of Roe v Wade is not settled, if it were, there would not be the large amount of discussion about the case. Nor is Roe v Wade settled law. Roe v Wade has been the precedent for 33 years, although that may seem a long time, remember Separate but Equal was the law of the land for 58 years before being overturned by the Supreme Court.

Part of living in a society is accepting the beliefs of others sometimes as law. People believe that drugs are harmful and should not be legal and they are illegal. People believe that it is wrong for a woman to sell her body as in prostitution and thus it is illegal. This is part of society, weighing the benefits of the most sometimes at the expense of the least. Furthermore this is not about imposing beliefs, but rather about a civil right, do we as a people have the right to deny rights to an entire class of citizens?? As time has shown us, eventually the courts have come around and ensured that this has not happened, perhaps one day they will do so again. The Declaration of Independence listed life as the first inalienable right.

In the year prior to Roe v Wade there were 41 deaths from abortion, not the thousands that we so often hear about. If abortion were made illegal, perhaps the culture of free sex would change, and people would be more willing to control their urges for self-gratification at all costs. Furthermore, many conservatives believe that this is a decision that should not be made by the courts and the federal government but rather by the states. California and New York allowed abortions prior to the passage of Roe v Wade.

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Old 01-22-2007, 09:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I don't believe a man should have to support a child he never wanted. If he does not wish to be a father, he should not be expected to pay child support for a choice which never rested with him in the first place.

If he doesn't want to be a father, he can use protection or keep it in his pants.

When he decided to have sex, he made a choice. If he's not smart enough to know what the consequences could be, then he's not responsible enough to be having sex in the first place. Same thing goes for the woman.
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one of the most important things to look at this issue is whether or not its right or wrong but who has the choice is this matter?
Both participants in the sex act BEFORE they indulge.

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If you make abortion illegal, it will be a repeat of what happened during the acholol ban. People were smuggling acholol when they can and it begain(sic) a new kind of crime.

If you make it illegal woman will be in the streets with coathangers like they use to. Which will indanger their lives.
Really? Here are some facts:
"Let’s look at the late 1950s. Those were the supposed bad old days. All abortions were illegal, and illegal abortionists were alleged to be busy. In the July 1960 edition of The American Journal of Public Health, there was an article by Dr. Mary Calderone, founder of SIECUS and medical director of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. She stated:

"90% of illegal abortions are being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; . . . They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is . . . Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians."

But what about coat hanger abortions?

Your authors have lectured nationwide on abortion on an average of one city a week for almost three decades. We frequently ask the audience to provide documented proof of a self-induced coat hanger abortion. In all this time no one has given us a single case. It may well be — there never were any coat hanger abortions. Source

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So the real question is who should have the choice? the state or the woman?
How about the State....but only when they "get it right"?


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There is no way the courts will over-rule Roe vs. Wade because of the fact that about half the population believes that it is the choice of a woman.
This simply is not a true statement. See this article NARAL trumpets results of misleading survey claiming 59% of Americans favor Roe v. Wade

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I think everyone is intitled to their opinion on this issue. But the only way abortion is going to be viewed as a unmoral act is if you change the hearts of people, not by the law.

One person's beliefs should not be forced on anothers.
You said: "One person's beliefs should not be forced on anothers"

Isn't your belief forced on another? Because of YOU and others like you, the unborn have been denied their right to life. How can you say your beliefs have not been forced on others?

What if your parents had decided to abort you? You are living now, but what if your fate had been like so many millions who were not so lucky? If you had been aborted and had the opportunity to speak out, what would you say then? Would you say that others had the right to decide your fate?

Your statement is a contradiction. You claim to believe that one person's beliefs should not be forced on another. But yours does exactly that.

You don't really believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion. There are many who don't have the ability to speak, yet you condemn them to death, without a trial and without cause.

Quite frankly, I'll give you the benefit of a doubt. I believe you are a victim of lies. You hear someone give what you believe is a sound argument for abortion without checking it for yourself. In other words, you're the typical victim of "the blind leading the blind". They both fall into the ditch. You're on some(one elses) mad crusade that you embraced most likely because you believed them to be "the winning side". But don't be embarrassed. You're not alone. You're actually in the majority. But, you're still wrong.
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