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| Abortion How do you feel about abortion? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Defend your views on abortion in this forum. |
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| Senator ![]() Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,836
| The Abortion Divide... As anyone who frequents the dark dungeons of the Internets knows, you can meet some real morons online. And Pete Shinn of the pro-life blog "March Together for Life" has got to be in the running for Tit of the Year. On July 6, Shinn posted an entry to his blog entitled, "Murder without conscience." The post detailed some shockingly callous comments by one Caroline Weber, who, in an article for a well-known national newspaper wrote, "Those pro-life activists made it pretty clear that, unlike me, they actually think abortion is bad and to be avoided. Are they nuts? Abortion is the best! It wasn't until now that I was lucky enough to be pregnant with a child I had no means to support." Shinn was outraged. "Miss Weber, you have killed your child, which you admit is a baby/human being, intentionally," he wrote. "That does make you an admitted murderer. I'm not going to 'condemn you to hell', I'm going to pray for your forgiveness and for the suffering which you will endure when you realize what you have done. Every baby you see from that moment on is going to wake you up to the realization that you killed your child." Strong words, and I'm sure Caroline Weber would take them to heart if she read them. Unfortunately she can't read them because, er, she doesn't exist. Surprised? Perhaps I can shed a little more light on the situation by telling you that Shinn introduced Weber in his blog entry as, "Miss Caroline Weber, who wrote an article at The Onion online magazine." He even helpfully provided a link to the original Onion article, which is titled, "I'm Totally Psyched About This Abortion!" There's more. Pete's entry received hundreds of comments telling him in no uncertain terms that he was an enormous bonehead (don't bother looking for them on his blog, they're not there any more), so he - quite obviously - felt the need to defend himself. In Defense No. 1 he wrote, "Needless to say, a few people wanted to let me know that I was a dolt for thinking that her article was real. As a matter of fact, call me a dolt, because in the beginning I really did think it was real. Why? because I meet women like her in the field all the time." Because, you know, there are women everywhere walking around saying "I'm totally psyched about this abortion!" To make his case, Pete cited some random woman that he walked up to and hassled while she was sunbathing in the park. Seriously. Realizing that Defense No. 1 was a bust, Pete moved on to Defense No. 2, in which he claimed that the fact that educated people know the Onion is a satirical newspaper "proves my point that our children are brainwashed in the public school system." And while that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, Pete did helpfully quote one person who left a comment on his blog, which went like this: "Color me stunned ... douchebag"(You'll note that in Defense No. 2 Pete still thinks that "Caroline Weber" is the real author of the Onion article.) Clearly a change of direction was needed, so Pete launched Defense No. 3, entitled, "Summing up the 'Onion' flap," in which he castigated the "intellectual left" (hey, thanks!) for sending him hate mail (poor baby) and tried to claim that while the Onion piece is indeed satire, they still managed to "slip their agenda" in there. To prove his point he quoted these two sentences: "The funny thing is, I actually have the pro-life movement to thank for this opportunity. If my HMO wouldn't have bowed to their pressure not to cover oral contraceptives, I never would've gotten pregnant in the first place."Sure, that's a cheeky dig at the right-wing nutbags who want to ban contraception (yes Pete, that's you.) But I guess Pete didn't want to mention the sentences immediately following that quote: Then what would I be doing a week from Thursday? I'll tell you what I wouldn't be doing: going to an awesome abortion clinic where I'll be the center of attention from the minute I put my feet up in those stirrups. I wouldn't be looking forward to induced dilation of my cervical opening and suctioning of my uterus, either. And I sure as heck wouldn't get the chance to have a doctor insert a metal instrument into my womb to dislodge tissue from my uterine wall! I seriously cannot wait for all the hemorrhaging and the uterine contractions.Makes abortion sound just dandy, doesn't it? Anyway, all of this left Pete no place to go but Defense No. 4: My article was a joke, which obviously thousands of you didn't get, all the while accusing me of being the stupidest person on the planet.Oh boy, I guess we were the ones who didn't get the joke! DUHHHHHHH! http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/252 "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Omaha Beach Posts: 7,298
| You need to read from a better, and broader range of materials than Democraticunderground.com. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Senator ![]() Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,836
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Are you looking for more substance to ignore? "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Gender: ![]() Posts: 11
| This is not an uncommon practice for your average pro-lifer. They can't explain to people exactly why they oppose reproductive freedom for women...so instead they write fake articles meant to paint pro-choicers as an evil, god hating lot of people. When people begin to question said fake article, the pro-lifers then write a toned down counter article, causing people to see a "lesser of two evils" sort of comparison, that is if said people lack the intelligence of a used paper towel. Most people with an IQ higher than their shoe size can realize when people are 100% full of it and thus know a pro-life nut case when they see one. The only problem with this is that most of the people with IQs higher than their shoe size are no longer located in the United States, most have flocked to places such as the Netherlands and my home of Britain for sake of their own sanity. All in all, the best thing I can recommend is to ignore these bible thumpers and just float in your own puddle of political intelligence, because abortion is just one of those issues in which there will always be nutters who side with the other anti-choice nutters. Just remember that you think in a superior, evolved manner. In doing so, you'll live to rant another day. Good writing. "Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart" - Confucius I'm just your average Moderate Libertarian Conservoliberal Populist | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Senator ![]() Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Gender: ![]() Posts: 3,687 Country: ![]()
| I don't think it has to do with IQ as much as it does to do with ignorance. Many "pro-life" people are simplistic and two-dimentional. Many only see things on the surface and don't actually dig deep into the issue. They side with pro-life because if you're not "pro-life" then that must mean you're "pro-death". Its the same across the board with some people. Either you're with us or with the terrorists. Either you're evil or good. They're authoritarian types and therefore deal in absolutes. There's no middle ground to them. "If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Economic Left/Right: -9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 396
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Believe it or not, Katczinsky, you're absolutely right! You are either right...or wrong. Good....or evil. Enlightened....or ignorant. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| I know some married and single women, very religious, so so religious, and non-religious.... Catholic, protestant..... They have gotten in line at the abortion clinic and kept it in business...... | |||||||||||||||||||||
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