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Old 08-04-2006, 03:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Children under 18 are under the care of their parents, not me or the state. I am interested in lowering the number of abortions. If you don't want the child, then find a family who wants to adopt. Now you next post will be how horrible adoption rates are. I've heard it all before.

If you want less abortions in America you would support free condoms and birth control. People are going to have sex however they want regardless if it doesn't agree with you or not.
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If you want less abortions in America you would support free condoms and birth control. People are going to have sex however they want regardless if it doesn't agree with you or not.
Fine, then let those who play pay the consequences. I clean up my own mistakes. Let those who make mistakes take care of it themselves. It's called responsibility.
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1) I explicitly stated: "As such, it seems obvious that abstinence only programs ARE NOT the best way to go, and the best program includes a variety of methodologies including a discussion on abstinence."
Claiming that I "will not allow the teaching of abstinence" is stupid.
Alias, as usual, is not reading what he is responding to.

2) As I pointed out in a study that Alias probably also never bothered to read, there are a variety of locations that have attempted abstinence only programs. They "really aren't working either" if we judge "working" by the capability to prevent any teen-age pregnancies.

3) Neither teaching abstinence only nor a diverse teaching approach will result in NO teen-age pregnancies.
As such, the rational approach is to figure out which solution is better.
It should be obvious, if you actually look at the studies presented, that abstinence only programs ARE NOT the best way to go, and the best program includes a variety of methodologies including a discussion on abstinence."
Do public schools teach abstinence? No. Why not?
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Do public schools teach abstinence? No. Why not?
Man. Step back into the ring when you've actually got your pants pulled up and it revealed that you're not wearing diapers.

READ THE STUDY I posted and get back to me when you figure out why you're looking clueless.
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I'll have to repost the link if I want Alias to actually read anything, and even then it's painfully obvious that he won't....

"In 1996, Congress signed into law the Personal Responsibility & Work Opportunities Reconciliation Act, or "welfare reform." Attached was the provision, later set out in Section 510(b) of Title V of the Social Security Act, appropriating $250 million dollars over five years for state initiatives promoting sexual abstinence outside of marriage as the only acceptable standard of behavior for young people.

For the first five years of the initiative, every state but California participated in the program.[2] (California had experimented with its own abstinence-only initiative in the early 1990's. The program was terminated in February 1996, when evaluation results found the program to be ineffective.[3]) From 1998 to 2003, almost a half a billion dollars in state and federal funds were appropriated to support the Title V initiative. A report, detailing the results from the federally funded evaluation of select Title V programs, was due to be released more than a year ago. Last year, Congress extended "welfare reform" and, with it, the Title V abstinence-only-until-marriage funding without benefit of this, as yet unreleased, report.

As the first five-year funding cycle of Title V came to a close, a few state-funded evaluations became public. Others were completed with little or no fanfare. This document reviews the findings from the 10 evaluations that Advocates for Youth was able to identify. Advocates for Youth also includes evaluation results from California's earlier attempt at a statewide abstinence-only initiative."
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/pub...ions/index.htm
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Yes they do actually. The sex ed class I had in public school urged people to obstain from sex.
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Fine, then let those who play pay the consequences. I clean up my own mistakes. Let those who make mistakes take care of it themselves. It's called responsibility.

The responsibility of the unwanted children will eventually fall on all tax payers hands anyway. This preventive measure would cost less in the long run and result in fewer abortions.

You aren't encouraging or paying for people's "mistakes". You are creating fewer abortions and losing less money.

Now if you were ACTUALLY for fewer abortions you would get behind something like this. I feel you are only interested in seeing your religious beliefs reflected in our government.
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Man. Step back into the ring when you've actually got your pants pulled up and it revealed that you're not wearing diapers.

READ THE STUDY I posted and get back to me when you figure out why you're looking clueless.
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I'll have to repost the link if I want Alias to actually read anything, and even then it's painfully obvious that he won't....

"In 1996, Congress signed into law the Personal Responsibility & Work Opportunities Reconciliation Act, or "welfare reform." Attached was the provision, later set out in Section 510(b) of Title V of the Social Security Act, appropriating $250 million dollars over five years for state initiatives promoting sexual abstinence outside of marriage as the only acceptable standard of behavior for young people.

For the first five years of the initiative, every state but California participated in the program.[2] (California had experimented with its own abstinence-only initiative in the early 1990's. The program was terminated in February 1996, when evaluation results found the program to be ineffective.[3]) From 1998 to 2003, almost a half a billion dollars in state and federal funds were appropriated to support the Title V initiative. A report, detailing the results from the federally funded evaluation of select Title V programs, was due to be released more than a year ago. Last year, Congress extended "welfare reform" and, with it, the Title V abstinence-only-until-marriage funding without benefit of this, as yet unreleased, report.

As the first five-year funding cycle of Title V came to a close, a few state-funded evaluations became public. Others were completed with little or no fanfare. This document reviews the findings from the 10 evaluations that Advocates for Youth was able to identify. Advocates for Youth also includes evaluation results from California's earlier attempt at a statewide abstinence-only initiative."
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/pub...ions/index.htm
Where does it say this is being taught in public schools?
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The responsibility of the unwanted children will eventually fall on all tax payers hands anyway. This preventive measure would cost less in the long run and result in fewer abortions.

You aren't encouraging or paying for people's "mistakes". You are creating fewer abortions and losing less money.

Now if you were ACTUALLY for fewer abortions you would get behind something like this. I feel you are only interested in seeing your religious beliefs reflected in our government.
This has nothing to do with religion. Please point to what I said that makes you think so. Please don't put words in my mouth. I am for fewer abortions, but me paying for condoms for someone elses kids is not my business. Let the parents of the kids buy their kids condoms. It's their kids. They buy them food, clothing, shelter, etc. They can pay for their sexual fun also.
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Where does it say this is being taught in public schools?
0) Thank you. You just reconfirmed the reason why I stopped talking to you.
You're just too stupid to deal with.

1) What other state organizations are going to teach our kids about sexual education besides schools?

2) You probably won't get this far in reading, but I'm going to quote it anyways...
"For the most part, Title V funds were administered through states' departments of health and then sub-granted to abstinence-only contractors within each state. Program components varied from state to state and from contractor to contractor within each state. However, all programs discussed in this document included an abstinence-only curriculum, delivered to young people in schools or through community-based agencies."
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/pub...ions/index.htm
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0) Thank you. You just reconfirmed the reason why I stopped talking to you.
You're just too stupid to deal with.

1) What other state organizations are going to teach our kids about sexual education besides schools?

2) You probably won't get this far in reading, but I'm going to quote it anyways...
"For the most part, Title V funds were administered through states' departments of health and then sub-granted to abstinence-only contractors within each state. Program components varied from state to state and from contractor to contractor within each state. However, all programs discussed in this document included an abstinence-only curriculum, delivered to young people in schools or through community-based agencies."
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/pub...ions/index.htm
You don't have a credible source.
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