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Old 08-22-2006, 08:22 PM   #101 (permalink)
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At this point, foundit, the mother-to-be isn't even aware that she is pregnant.
Day after pill.
Is it ethical to use the day after pill?


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See post 2 up --the one with large red letters.
See my above refutation.
Quit quoting "I wanna pretend to be" science...
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:40 PM   #102 (permalink)
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No. What I said was the reason IS the reason why I don't typically get involved in these discussions.
Too much sensationalism.
Facts are sensational?

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Earlier in this thread, I asked a few questions regarding abortion and everybody's opinion. It was ignored unilaterally.

People would rather throw out labels like "murderer" and "baby-killer" than actually DISCUSS this issue. That's all alias just did. He just called me names. Similarly with Jefferson
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Typically, when a human being is killed deliberately, it is called murder. Your opinion?

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ROFLMAO!!!
Oh man. That brought a tear to my eye...

You don't know HOW MANY of Alias's statements can be summed up with what you just said.
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Tell me what "facts" I am disregarding.
How about every one of them?

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FACTS do not dictate morality.
Facts are knowledge in which morality can be decided. Do you not agree?

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A fetus cannot feel pain up until XX point in the pregnancy.
By 8 weeks. So with this knowledge, what is your opinion now?
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A fetus does not have a heart-beat up until the YY stage in the pregnancy.
18 days. Given that knowledge, how does it change your mind? especially about late term abortions?
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A fetus has _____ at ZZ stage in the pregnancy.
???
Here are more facts for you:
When is the brain functioning?

Brain waves have been recorded at 40 days on the Electroencephalogram (EEG). H. Hamlin, "Life or Death by EEG," JAMA, Oct. 12, 1964, p. 120
Brain function, as measured on the Electroencephalogram, "appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks gestation," or six weeks after conception. J. Goldenring, "Development of the Fetal Brain," New England Jour. of Med., Aug. 26, 1982, p. 564

Note the source of the FACTS.
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Those are facts, but WHAT THEY MEAN and the CONCLUSIONS DRAWN from those facts are not "facts".
I've heard some spin in my life, but this about takes the cake! So you're saying that even with the facts given, your mind remains unchanged?
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Suppose a person declares that he approves of abortion up until the fetus can feel pain.
Is he declaring a "fact", or his "opinion"?
Spin on......
But, since you asked, I'll ask you: Since you now know that the fetus feels pain at 8 weeks of the pregnancy, what is your opinion? Should one be allowed to terminate that LIFE?

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You disapproving of abortion is not a "fact", but your opinion.
Is the taking another's life murder? Your opinion, please. (Or are you still insisting that something that has a beating heart in 18 days of conception, feels pain at 8 weeks is only a "blob of tissue"?)

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Nope. Not at all.
In fact earlier I tried to get a discussion going on the fetal heart-beat. Unfortunately, I didn't appreciate the semantics of my "fact", but I was trying myself.

Go back and see if you like...
We're discussing it now and you don't seem much interested in continuing the debate. So which is it? Do you wish to continue the discussion? or are you finished?

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Man. You just rant on and on and on and on...
But you're saying nothing but inaccurate speculation.
I am ranting on and on? The documentation I've presented is "inaccurate speculation"? In YOUR opinion, of course. Isn't this just the kind of debate you hate where someone actually posts factual information?
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THIS crap is why I don't like getting involved in these discussions. People get overly emotional like you are now, making wild allegations and rewriting situations for your own convenience.
Whatever are you talking about??
I understand that factual documentation is what you call "crap". But to people with analytic minds call it "knowledge".

It looks to me that you're the one who is overly emotional. I am presenting concise medical facts and it seems to be rather stressful for you.

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Like your allegations of me and my motives. Pure bullsh!t. You don't know me, but you've made your post about ME and NOT abortion.
Here's the emotion that you accuse others of having.

Believe it or not, foundit66, you can tell a lot about a person who reveals his beliefs and opinions. Doesn't take a rocket scientist, you know. Just an analytic mind.

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Too much propagandic rhetoric crap and too little rational discussion.
If the debate isn't "rational" enough for you or appears to be "propagandic rhetoric crap", then by all means, no one is insisting that you participate in the debate/discussion. I'm quite certain from all you've said that it's creating too much stress for you.
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Day after pill.
Is it ethical to use the day after pill?
How about using a condom? The day after pill is extremely dangerous.



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See my above refutation.
Quit quoting "I wanna pretend to be" science...
I see. You hate the facts. You don't want to see them. All I can tell you is go on in your blind ignorance. Just try not to make any babies.
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How about using a condom? The day after pill is extremely dangerous.





I see. You hate the facts. You don't want to see them. All I can tell you is go on in your blind ignorance. Just try not to make any babies.
I don't think we have to worry about that? LOL.
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This signature explains foundit66's thinking, does it not?
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Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, and Homer Simpson. Does that give an insight to his mentality?
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Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, and Homer Simpson. Does that give an insight to his mentality?
At the very least, his reasoning!
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Old 08-23-2006, 12:21 AM   #109 (permalink)
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Facts are sensational?
Misrepresenting my statements will get you nowhere.
People treat this issue with too much sensationalism.


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Typically, when a human being is killed deliberately, it is called murder. Your opinion?
"killing" requires the "victim" to be alive in the first place.
And that seems to be part of the issue...


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How about every one of them?
Which one have I actually avoided?
Trying for clever retorts is going to get you nowhere.


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Facts are knowledge in which morality can be decided. Do you not agree?
The "decisions" are often subjective in nature, and the "facts" distorted.


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By 8 weeks. So with this knowledge, what is your opinion now?
Prove this claim. And please do better than quoting an "anti-abortion" web-site which has already had multiple

claims proven false.


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18 days.
Respond to my post earlier disproving this claim.
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Brain waves have been recorded at 40 days...
Respond to my post earlier disproving this claim.


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I've heard some spin in my life, but this about takes the cake! So you're saying that even with the

facts given, your mind remains unchanged?
No. That's not what I'm saying.
If I'm going to have to explain simple English to you twice to get you to comprehend, then you're not worth talking

to.


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I am ranting on and on? The documentation I've presented is "inaccurate speculation"? In YOUR

opinion, of course. Isn't this just the kind of debate you hate where someone actually posts factual information?
I have posted why your "documentation" is false.
I can't help but notice that you have completely avoided responding to that. Instead, you just repeat your claims despite the fact that they have been exposed as false.


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Whatever are you talking about??
I understand that factual documentation is what you call "crap". But to people with analytic minds call it

"knowledge".
And more of these efforts of yours to try and pretend I'm saying things that I am clearly not.
You seriously are proving you are not only incapable of intelligent debate, but that you have no interest in it.


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It looks to me that you're the one who is overly emotional. I am presenting concise medical facts and it seems to be rather stressful for you.
Not stressful at all.
How about you actually start discussing the "medical facts"?
Those things you're avoiding?


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Here's the emotion that you accuse others of having.
Calling you on your bullsh!t is not emotional.
It's factual.
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How about using a condom? The day after pill is extremely dangerous.
How about letting the person involved deal with that "danger" and making their own decisions...
That, and how about answering the question...

Don't want to admit that you oppose it, but don't have a rational reason for it?


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I see. You hate the facts.
Actually, I enjoy facts.
And I exposed the fact that what you claimed were "facts" were anything but.
Why do you have no comment on that? No response?
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