I'm pro-life in regards to the mother and what she decides to do with her own body is her business.

How is that pro life? Are you really a muslim? Your brothers would be calling for your head, if thats the case.

...are you referring to hevusa's avatar of G.W.?

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Originally Posted by JayD How is that pro life? Are you really a muslim? Your brothers would be calling for your head, if thats the case.

JayD, I cannot answer for Hevusa, but for me, I am pro-Life. And my reason to be so is from my heart. Not from religion or a presumed holy book.

For if I were to take the letter of the Scripture, I would see these passages and have to choose the Bible and the God so depicted or the God who came to my heart to assure me of his love and righteousness. I love the Bible and read it often, but I do not try to make room for such disparaging profiles of God as I would have to if I counted it to be infallible, inerrant and literal. I believe God is above all and need not have me or anyone else try to explain and cover for Him. These passages would lead anyone to believe that God is capricious and finds human life easily dispensed of, easily consumed in a mad rush of power and ego:


Abortion:
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

OD

That's actually very interesting. Never even knew those passages exist.

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No, I have talked alitte with him in the past. He definitly claims to be muslim.

You are confusing me with someone else. My avatar is dubya.

By the way I am a certified pre-life insurance salesman for those -10 months old to zero years old. I'll give you great rates if you are ever in need.

JayD finds refuge :

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These are clear examples that our God is not just a God of Love, but also a God of judgment. This is what happens to Godless civilizations, just as it will be for most of the worlds fate soon. Just cause God does somthing, doesnt mean its ok for us to take his roll and assume he wants us to murder babies.

And it is your God that sponsored a victory for "the chosen people" per one man's vow in this Biblical account, an account that does as you wrote: assume he wants us to murder...(in some instances):

Jephthah's Vow
Judges 11:29-40

29At that time the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, 31 I will give to the Lord the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
32So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the Lord gave him victory. 33 He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith-twenty towns-and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites.
34When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter-his only child-ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the Lord and cannot take it back."
36And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the Lord. You must do to me what you have promised, for the Lord has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin."
38"You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. 39 When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel 40 for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter.

Now JayD, if God would exact such a price for victory, if God would bring a victory to an army and in that, bring this murderous act to be effected by a faithful follower of His Own, is that the God you claim to intimately know through the person of Jesus Christ?

Explain this God, what it means to follow him and how every word in the Bible, every impression rendered is divine and revealing this same God who wills none perish and says to bless the little children...

OD

I was going to stay out of this discussion but this one message caught my eye. Regarding pharmacists being "made into abortionists" for giving the morning after pill, years ago I worked with an older Irish Catholic woman - very strict in her religious beliefs. One of the things she told me was that the Catholic church regarded birth control as wrong because by practicing it, you were in essence killing a life. That's the simplified version but what she said was that the only reason for having sex was to proceate and if that process were stopped by means of birth control (of any kind), it was equivalent to an abortion. I just thought some of you might like to know that you have probably been practicing abortion without knowing it - at least in the eyes of some people who interrupt their religion that way. Ok - now have at it!