Morally correct for whom, what each one of us think, or the people that have to make the decision for themselves?

We have 5 children, the thought was not even there, but if it was, it would have been for us (wife and I to make) not a political clusterfuck that really doesn't give a shit, unless they need war fodder!



Torture and murder are exceptable if a political party decides it's so? But abortion isn't? WTF!

The people that prefer to call it 'pro-choice' might choose that term because it implies that opponents are 'anti-choice'. That isn't the case, though. The opponents to abortion might like people to see the reality that a choice is always available; the choice is made when people decide to have sex.

The people that prefer to call abortion opponents 'pro-life' may be implying, subliminally, that the other side is 'anti-life'. That isn't the case, necessarily.

The terms 'pro-abortion' and 'anti-abortion' must have gotten too much baggage over the years of social and political debate; the terms began to carry subconscious messages that people didn't like. For example, the word 'abortion' itself began to sound very harsh and it may have been easier to get people to support one side or the other if they could use a less graphic term to describe their positions. I can see why 'pro-life' was chosen to replace 'anti-abortion', because it describes the stance of abortion opponents regarding their thoughts about all human life and it shows they believe life begins 9 months before birth. I can also see why 'pro-choice' was chosen, though I think it is a bit misleading for the reason stated in the first paragraph.



I am definitely in favor of choice and I recognize the choice occurs when one decides to have sex. If the factors and risks associated with sexual activity are not considered before the act, that is a matter of personal responsibility (or irresponsibility, as the case may be).


I am definitely in favor of life. We all have something to offer this world and people around us. I don't think any one life is less important than another in terms of human absolute value


I'm in favor of people choosing for themselves whether they want to have sex and whether they want to risk having an unwanted pregnancy. I am obviously in favor of being as personally responsible as possible, especially when the outcome of an act turns into more than one hoped. There are people who would love to have a baby, but are unable. If a baby comes along unexpectedly, why take the life away from that baby for a matter of personal convenience? I've been told more than once that an abortion was chosen because the mother could not stand the thought of strangers raising her baby. I scratch my head each time and wonder WTF?

I highlighted in red your points, very observant of you, linguistics is the culprit! "compassionate conservative" is another, stop abortion and stop any financial aid!

There is placed in peoples minds that "the pill" is "evil" and any form of contraceptives are "evil" perhaps oral sex can solve the problem? People are going to have sex, no political party or banning of "sex" will ever accomplish anything! But possibly more perversions against children, (that can be avoided if sex is not made a political or religious crap shoot), that can be intimidated!

I'm the boss, my wife told me I can be, as long as I do what she says!

There is no place on planet earth where people only have sex when they want children. It is not realistic to think people aren't going to have sex for pleasure. To reduce abortions condoms should be provided for free to youth, as well as birth control and the morning after pill.

Abortion is a personal morality that no one should have the right to deny to anyone. Until a baby is born and can survive without the host the mother is obviously in control of her body and can do what she wishes with it.

The abolition of abortion would only lead to women seeking second rate illegitimate care (by the millions) where they would risk serious injury and could be left unfertile. It would also increase crime dramatically producing a far less stable and moral society.

Preventing unwanted pregnancies would be much more effective than preventing abortion. What it takes to achieve this is often opposed by the very people that want to ban abortion.

How about teaching young people the consequences of sex. How about teaching young people to be responsible about sex and what it means. How about teaching young people that you can't have your fun without being responsible because you are possibly creating a human being and then you are responsible for that human being.

It's a about lot more than just your fun and personal pleasure. It's called responsibility, something our new age culture is desperately trying to avoid.

It's called doing the things it takes to actually lower the number of abortions. Of course it means teaching kids about responsibility. But it also includes the responsibility of providing free condoms and birth control for youth. And the morning after pill for adults.

If Christians really wanted less abortion in America they would be jumping on the bandwagon for the above changes. They are not of course... which makes you feel like they just want to see their religious point of view in law and little else.

The Kansas court ruling history on Kansas v Limon showed a judge stating that a man and a teen-age girl having sex had a benefit over a man and a teen-age boy having sex. That the man could impregnate the teen-age girl, and that would be better...

Gee. I wonder where his affiliations lie...

My conversation with Jaaaman in another thread revealed that he doesn't give a crap about reducing the number of teen-age pregnancies. Only about imposing their morality of sex upon others.
Some would rather have a higher teen-age pregnancy rate with "abstinence only" education, instead of present ALL birth control options and have a lower pregnancy rate.

Excellent, but it's not Christians that are trying to prevent these things, it's heathens who want war fodder!

But if people are responsible and have access to contraceptives, they can have their fun without creating a life.

Nothing is free. Who is going to pay for the "free" condoms? Let the parents who don't teach their children abstinence pay for them out of their pocket. My kids are all grown and have families.