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Old 02-23-2007, 09:31 AM   #191 (permalink)
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Hey Yeah, ReligiousTolerance.com

There's a quality, unbiased site...

I cant believe I missed that. Anyone else got info on the subject. Im not saying its wrong, but I dont like to put all the eggs in one basket.
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What is biased about the site?

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I didnt think you were putting me down. Sorry if I came across that way. I dont know if this will mean anything to you, but the bible says God has revealed himself to us in many ways, and on that day, we will be without excuse. But if you dont believe in the bible, I can see your point of view. I may not agree with it, but I see it.
Well it's just that I don't believe everything in the bible,if you recall there have been alot of evil man that had control of the bible, and from what i hear there are atleast five books that are missing(King James). also there is a passage from the bible that states " do not add to nor take away from the bible" in so many words, why would god place that there?, unless he knew man would do this.
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I guess not all Jews joined the liberal main stream.



Jews for Morality

ON THE SOCIO-MORAL ISSUES OF THE DAY
From a Traditional Jewish Perspective


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20 Elul 5763 / 17 Sept. 2003
Rabbi Yehuda Levin

The Silent Holocaust in Israel
Abortionists kill more children than terrorists

“He who destroys his own children…who wrecks the handiwork of G-D…brings hunger, plague, and the sword upon the world.”
Zohar, Shemos (Exodus)

“Abortion is murder, plain and simple.”
—Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch, Da Ma Shetoshiv
I recently took a walk in Borough Park, Brooklyn, and noticed posters prominently displayed all over the streets: "STOP The Silent Holocaust — 2,000,000 children destroyed by abortion in Israel." The signs were posted by EFRAT-C.R.I.B, an Israeli-based group that works to prevent Jewish families in Israel from aborting their children. The poster listed major Rabbis as sponsors.
I was shocked by the enormity of this number—two million Jews over the last 55 years, murdered by their own parents—could such a thing really be true, could so many Jewish mothers have murdered so many of their own children? A little research confirmed the horrible statistic.
At the 1994 United Nations International Conference on Population and Development, Dr. Baruch Levy, the official representative of the State of Israel, stated: "…according to a law of the Knesset, passed in 1977, abortions are legal when performed in authorized medical institutions and approved by special abortion committees. The overwhelming majority of requests for legal abortions are, in fact, approved for health and CERTAIN SOCIAL REASONS [emphasis mine]."
How does this work out in practice? Well, to take a fairly typical example, in 1999, 20,581 women submitted applications to the abortion committees. Of this number 18,785 (96%) were approved. The committees approved almost every application that was submitted. The only reason that all 100% of the applications were not approved is that the religious parties in Israel managed to forbid abortions based on economic reasons alone.
Commenting on a videotape that was sent to 350,000 homes in Israel by EFRAT-C.R.I.B. in 2001, Health Minister Nissim Dahan (Shas) stated: "I received the impression that…the abortion committees approve terminations of pregnancy without sufficient thought."
In his worldwide survey of abortion rates, William Robert Johnson gives the incredible statistic that total REPORTED abortions in Israel, from 1979 thru 2002 (23 years) were 411,000. This figure means that about 13% of Israeli children are murdered in the womb each year. Additionally, he cautions that these are only the official figures—the unreported figures may be double the reported amount (or 822,000). In the 55 years since the founding of the State of Israel, we could project a figure of about two million abortions.
Should we be surprised that the sword has been unleashed against our people in the Holy Land?
Our continued silence on this issue makes us vulnerable, chas vesholom, to the punishments of hunger, plague, and the sword prophesized in the Zohar Hakodosh.
Now that Rosh Hashana (the New Year) is here, it is time for us to do Teshuva (repent) on this horrible crime in G-D’s Holy Land. If we truly want to end the sacrifice of Jewish blood of our brothers and sisters in the Holy Land of Israel, we must cry out to the heavens, loudly and clearly, against this shedding of innocent blood.
Only then will we be entitled to say "Yodeinu lo shofchu es hadam hazeh" (Our hands have not shed this innocent blood).

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I guess not all Jews joined the liberal main stream.



Was there reason to believe that they did?

People of the Christian variety are all over the map on their opinions about different subjects. Why would you think that it wouldn't be the same for Jewish folk?
Old 02-23-2007, 09:51 AM   #196 (permalink)
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What is biased about the site?

Please give specific examples.
ReligiousTolerance.org is probably one of the most unbiased sites I've every read. They always give both sides of the issue.

Here's an example:

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"Whether or not abortion should be legal turns on the answer to the question of whether and at what point a fetus is a person. This is a question that cannot be answered logically or empirically. The concept of personhood is neither logical nor empirical: It is essentially a religious, or quasi-religious idea, based on one's fundamental (and therefore unverifiable) assumptions about the nature of the world." Paul Campos, professor of law at the University of Colorado. (2002) 1"The real question today is not when human life begins, but, 'What is the value of human life?' The abortionist who reassembles the arms and legs of a tiny baby to make sure all its parts have been torn from its mother's body can hardly doubt whether it is a human being." President Ronald Reagan, (1983). 2
When does human life become a human personhood
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Well it's just that I don't believe everything in the bible,if you recall there have been alot of evil man that had control of the bible, and from what i hear there are atleast five books that are missing(King James). also there is a passage from the bible that states " do not add to nor take away from the bible" in so many words, why would god place that there?, unless he knew man would do this.

The books were not included in the bible, cause they were found to be in error. Especialy the book of Thomas. To obtain salvation one need go no further than Mathew. When I think of the last scriptures in Revolations, I think about the Newly discovered book of Judas, or the divinci code. I also think about the new age watered down Christianity, where they teach that there is no judgment, no hell, ect ect. Those would be good examples, of adding, and taking away. I dont believe God sent us the bible to confuse us. I believe he protected his word, and message to us till this very day. To each his own though.
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Was there reason to believe that they did?

People of the Christian variety are all over the map on their opinions about different subjects. Why would you think that it wouldn't be the same for Jewish folk?
Personaly, I wouldnt. But it was told to me that the Jews (in gerneral) believe that abortion is ok. While there is a % that do, clearly this isnt the case.
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“He who destroys his own children…who wrecks the handiwork of G-D…brings hunger, plague, and the sword upon the world.”
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Personaly, I wouldnt. But it was told to me that the Jews (in gerneral) believe that abortion is ok. While there is a % that do, clearly this isnt the case.
I believe, if you are talking about what has occured on the board, that it was pointed out that SCRIPTURALLY speaking abortion would be considered okay (according to the Torah).

Individual opinions are not going to follow scripture perfectly in ANY religion.
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