Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer  Preacher, trying to respond to your thread is almost impossible. So to respond, it's going to take longer and have to be done manually...
Unfortunately, how you post within the quotes turns my response to the same color you use if I try to respond.
So, as to your claim there are no other scriptures that speak of Jesus?No, I clearly stated, the the bible is the only scripture who claims to know Jesus First hand. Yes there are...The Koran has extensive inclusions within their text about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and the Virgin Mary in fact. The prophet Mohhamad was a supporter and believer of Jesus' teachings. In fact, it's said that his goal was a reflection of Jesus teachings during those times, that inspired him to redirect the Islamic traditions of a 'vengeful and angry Allah'.
Yea, I know all about Muhammads twisted version of christianity.
Hence the reason for the similarities of the OT and Koran's own early books, then later (through the teachings of Mohhamad) a 'NT' added to the Koran.
I'm surprised you'd be unaware of this? Im more than aware of this. None the less, the Koran was written 600 years after Jesus died. Hardly first hand information. No one writting the Koran claimed to directly know Jesus.
Then add into it the studies done, the archeology done to prove whether or not Jesus lived...There's alot of information out there if one is inclined not only to look, but to consider.
I know of this as well, much in favor of not only his existance, but his resurection.
Thing is, interpretation has everything to do with how one interprets the bible. If interpretation of the bible was all the same, then there wouldn't be the division and many denominations within Christianity today. But because it is about how one interprets the bible, we have over 100 different denominations of Christianity, all claiming that the other denominations are interpreting the bible wrong. No they dont, most denominations agree on the basic principles of the teachings of Christ. Most of there differences have little to do with the bible at all.
Your interpretation is just but one among many within your own faith and teachings.
Sorry, but it just isnt true. I dont think the other denominations have it wrong. And the ones that do have it wrong, biblicaly, is easy to prove.
Wow...I can really feel your 'respect' in that sentence. So you can dish it, but cant take it. Did you read what you said about my holy book? I wasnt feeling a whole lotta respect either. You do realize that you just told me that since my views don't mind you, that I'm informed? No, Im saying from your statment that its clear your uniformed. My having differing views in no way means I'm less informed then you. That's an assumption and judgement of your own showing just how little you respect another's beliefs.
You said you dont even belivev in the bible, s how is that disrespecting your faith? The bible isnt your faith. Its IS mine, and you are uniformed about it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's been my life's goal to learn and understand all religion. Especially Christianity as it's one of the major religions of the world. Just because my own personal studies, teachings, and approaches differ from your own, doesn't disqualify my own perspectives solely on it differring from yours.
Regarding the bible, only one of us (at most) could be right. You said you dont even believe the bible. So why so offended?
My studies and my beliefs have given me a different perspective then your own. Niether of us are wrong, nor are either of ours wrong...Just a different approach and conclusion. Yet...you use my difference to wiegh me as 'wrong' and as 'uninformed' when the opposite is true? I'm not trying to convert you, so why the need to judge me in an effort to convert by your own words here? Where's the respect you claim to have of differing beliefs?
Your words though contridict your claims. You are using key words that mean 'to correct'...You're useage of "there is only one way" and "uninformed, but interesting'" are terms of correction and condensension of my own beliefs. By trying to make it a 'right or wrong' belief with you choice of wording, you are knowledgeably juding me and doing so without respecting my own personal beliefs. You may not have intended to do so, but you are regardlessly placing judgement and disrespect by those actions.
But you havent given me anything to correct. I asked you what you believe about Christ, your answer is Im correcting you? Come on now. You just want me to be the bad guy.
You just don't get it....I'm not being sensitive. I'm explaining to you that you are answering in a manner to convert. By asking you how you drew your conclutions? What are you talking about?
Yes, all you did was ask a question. But rather then open your mind to my responses, What responces? You didnt respond at all, but to tell me Im judging you. you immediately responded in a manner of 'you are wrong and I am right'...Or in this latest one 'you are misinformed'...
I said you were misinformed about the bible, and I stand by my words. But you already clearly stated you didnt believe the bible. Im asking you what you belive, not about what you dont believe.
As to your opinion being based on fact? Sorry, but it's based of of OPINION. Opionion not based on any fact that actually can be proven, but by the contents of a book you have faith in. In otherwords, it's not fact...But FAITH that determines your particular view point. A viewpoint that I particularly do not embrace nor apply to my own self.
No. It is a fact. The bible is the only written word that claims to know Jesus on a personal level. The folks who wrote the NT are the only people on earth to claim to have spoken to him directly. What about this isnt fact?
Facts are theories based off of scientifical studies...So far science can't, nor will ever try to prove/disprove the Divine. The Divine is a matter of the heart, that is felt and expressed. BUT, it doesn't make it fact still as it takes someone to have faith those feelings and expressions truely are the Divine.
Your losing me here. Im not saying the christian faith is fact. Im saying the bible is the only scripture that claims to know Jesus, while he was here, on earth.
I'm sorry you find this hard to grasp. That you feel the need to put my own spiritual feelings down to raise yours up. Or the overwhelming need to convert me and view my own conclusions as 'wrong and misinformed'.
You havent even told me what your faith is built from, or where you get it from, or what it is at all. Now its true, you are "wrong and misinformed" about the bible. But you said you dont believe the bible. So you can see Im not telling you, that you are wrong, or misinformed about your faith. I just wanted to know what your faith is, and where you get it from.
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02-23-2007, 02:16 PM
Will do. The Divine may be busy though. The Divine told me to pass along to you to set up an appoint for a meeting, because it's busy trying to get back to all the Christians that have lost it....or him, since they insist it's a male...
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