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Old 10-14-2006, 07:14 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The problem with the argument regarding the cut of funding is that you are arguing American abortion which is a choice compared to Chinese abortion which is compulsory. Because of the hugh Chinese population, women who get pregnant a second time, especially those who will be having a second baby girl, are forced to have an abortion. It would seem that there not enough men in China.....

So despite the rhetoric that if the President cut the funding here, because believe it or not, if abortion were compulsory in this country, even the leftist liberal would be decrying it and applauding the President for the action he took.

The facts are entirely different when you actually bother to understand the reasons behind them. So while it is a nice try to demonize the President for this sad story, the truth is not as black and white as you try to make it. By cutting the funding, the President is actually promoting women's rights, not only in having the choice, but also in not being aborted just because of the sex of the baby, oh my God, would you believe that, the evil Republican President standing up against sexism in China. You liberals should be ashamed of yourselves. Your arguments in this case show your true colors. I guess we can now easily and rightfully call you sexists.

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Old 10-16-2006, 08:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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And that is one of the MAIN REASONS we have "legalized" abortion in the United States!
I'd always assumed that it was because people needed/wanted them. Why shouldn't medicine be based in capitalism, like every other industry?
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I'd always assumed that it was because people needed/wanted them. Why shouldn't medicine be based in capitalism, like every other industry?
Cut out the "gravy train" and 95% of all these "do gooders" would stop providing abortions.

It's a multi-billion dollar INDUSTRY.
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Cut out the "gravy train" and 95% of all these "do gooders" would stop providing abortions.

It's a multi-billion dollar INDUSTRY.
The gravy train being people who want/need a medical procedure?
Now you're being inconsistant.
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The gravy train being people who want/need a medical procedure?
Now you're being inconsistant.
No, and you know better.

The "gravy train" is the unethical doctors who are raking in half-million dollars per year performing abortions.

Follow the money trail...
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No, and you know better.

The "gravy train" is the unethical doctors who are raking in half-million dollars per year performing abortions.

Follow the money trail...
Oh, I see. So the gravy train is doctors preforming procedures that they are paid to preform by their patients/customers?

You are being inconsistant.
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Old 10-17-2006, 05:11 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Oh, I see. So the gravy train is doctors preforming procedures that they are paid to preform by their patients/customers?

You are being inconsistant.
No, I am not.

Doctors are destroying/murdering unborn children. They are being paid to do exactly what they swore - as their Hippocratic Oath - NOT to do. They are being paid big money to do just that. If they were NOT being paid big money, MOST of them would NEVER perform an abortion.

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I swear by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.

To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.


But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.
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The problem with the argument regarding the cut of funding is that you are arguing American abortion which is a choice compared to Chinese abortion which is compulsory. Because of the hugh Chinese population, women who get pregnant a second time, especially those who will be having a second baby girl, are forced to have an abortion. It would seem that there not enough men in China.....

So despite the rhetoric that if the President cut the funding here, because believe it or not, if abortion were compulsory in this country, even the leftist liberal would be decrying it and applauding the President for the action he took.

The facts are entirely different when you actually bother to understand the reasons behind them. So while it is a nice try to demonize the President for this sad story, the truth is not as black and white as you try to make it. By cutting the funding, the President is actually promoting women's rights, not only in having the choice, but also in not being aborted just because of the sex of the baby, oh my God, would you believe that, the evil Republican President standing up against sexism in China. You liberals should be ashamed of yourselves. Your arguments in this case show your true colors. I guess we can now easily and rightfully call you sexists.

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Wow. I'm a "sexist" because I'm talking about the hypocrisy of Bush's policy in AFRICA, because you bring up the issue of China and compulsory abortions, which I wasn't talking about...

Way to joust at the strawman argument Sarge...

Expounding on the issue you brought up, if there are humanitarian issues (like COMPULSORY abortions) in some countries, I have no issue discussing them and imposing sanctions.

But considering I SPECIFICALLY talked about (in previous posts) the issue of them doing what would be LEGAL FOR US, I don't see how you could intelligently conclude I was talking about policy specifically regarding COMPULSORY abortions...
Unless there are legalized COMPULSORY requirements in the U.S. I am not aware of...
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A widely used modern version of the traditional oath was penned by Louis Lasagna, former Dean of Tufts Medical School. [2]

In the 1970s cultural and social forces induced many American medical schools to abandon the Hippocratic Oath as part of graduation ceremonies, usually substituting a version modified to something considered more politically up to date, or an alternate pledge like the Oath or Prayer of Maimonides.

The Hippocratic Oath has been updated by the Declaration of Geneva. In the United Kingdom, the General Medical Council provides clear modern guidance in the form of its 'Duties of a Doctor' and 'Good Medical Practice' statements.
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OK hm.... The well being of patients and the nature of capitalism versus an oath that was written back when bloodletting was considered a valid treatment... Hm.... Decisions, decisions...

I'm suprised you're not offended by the fact that the oath taker is swearing by Gods and Godesses. Clearly, doctors are pagans since every part of the oath is literal/relevant, never mind the fact that it isn't in widespread use anymore.
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OK hm.... The well being of patients and the nature of capitalism versus an oath that was written back when bloodletting was considered a valid treatment... Hm.... Decisions, decisions...

I'm suprised you're not offended by the fact that the oath taker is swearing by Gods and Godesses. Clearly, doctors are pagans since every part of the oath is literal/relevant, never mind the fact that it isn't in widespread use anymore.
...and I'm surprised that you can so casually blow off an oath taken by doctors - which they then turn around and completely violate by murdering unborn children.

Talk about blind bias turning somebody into an intellectual marshmellow!
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