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Old 08-05-2005, 02:47 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I did NOT say Human, I said infant. And I should not have said that. The fact is that anything existing inside a woman has no rights that she does not grant it. It is her choice, that is something we can not regulate.
You did say human, go back to page one and check your own damn post. And I am sorry but now you are arguing property, and a life cannot be property, we fought a civil war to change that one. Again your arguing in circles because you opened the door, and well quite frankly using your own words my argument is winning, and you know it.

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Old 08-05-2005, 02:52 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Why not take it a step farther and just declare everything inbetween the coasts Jesusland and be done with it.
If that is the will of the people than so be it. But the Constitution provided for change in the Amendment process, and ultimately in the 10th Amendment reserving the right to the States and the people. Liberals say you support the people, but never want us to decide. And when we do, your the first to run to court to change it. It seems you don't really know what it is that you want, except that it can't be a conservative idea.

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Well the will of the people is to let women have the right to choose!

Further more, by your logic, you should NOT be in any healthcare field, you should be preventing people from getting vaccinations, I mean you have to defend that life which can not defend itself right? Well who is looking out for the Flu? The flu is caused by living organisms, inside people's bodies, but it is okay to kill it... Why not a fetus? I see no difference.

You are very smart, and apparently well educated or at least willing to do your research, and I commend that, but you are not very good at forming any kind of an effective argument that is not easily countered.
If the will of the people is for women to have the right to choose, then let us see, overturn Roe v Wade and allow the people of the states to decide, and if they do, then so be it, but until such time as that happens we do not truly know what is the will of the people.

As to the flu, it is more than capable of defending itself, year in and year out it mutates, and cause one vaccine after another to become impotent, the flu does not need my help, yet a fetus is not as fortunate. The whole point of debate is for argument to be countered. What fun would their be if I got the last word in all the time because I was right. If I don't leave the door open, what fun could I possibly have in life.


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Why not take it a step farther and just declare everything inbetween the coasts Jesusland and be done with it.
If that is the will of the people than so be it. But the Constitution provided for change in the Amendment process, and ultimately in the 10th Amendment reserving the right to the States and the people. Liberals say you support the people, but never want us to decide. And when we do, your the first to run to court to change it. It seems you don't really know what it is that you want, except that it can't be a conservative idea.

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There is a reason we haven't overturned roe vs. wade. The majority of people don't want to. Seems like you have a hard time living with that.
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Why not take it a step farther and just declare everything inbetween the coasts Jesusland and be done with it.
If that is the will of the people than so be it. But the Constitution provided for change in the Amendment process, and ultimately in the 10th Amendment reserving the right to the States and the people. Liberals say you support the people, but never want us to decide. And when we do, your the first to run to court to change it. It seems you don't really know what it is that you want, except that it can't be a conservative idea.

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There is a reason we haven't overturned roe vs. wade. The majority of people don't want to. Seems like you have a hard time living with that.
Arguing with this guy is like arguing with a brick. What is funny is he spouts a lot of rhetoric, make no valid points at all and then leans back and acts as if he's just won an argument and beaten us at our own game. It's hillarious. He really can't see that we have won the argument, because the world agrees with us... but that's ok, I am sure his god is on his side...
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:21 PM   #56 (permalink)
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but that's ok, I am sure his god is on his side...

That is a big problem in America. People think their views are justified as long as they are a person "of God". What they can't understand is that concept of "God" varies greatly depending upon who you ask.

The fear of hell to be moral has never worked. Time to try something else, something more honest.
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im sensing alot of tension in this debate...
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but that's ok, I am sure his god is on his side...

That is a big problem in America. People think their views are justified as long as they are a person "of God". What they can't understand is that concept of "God" varies greatly depending upon who you ask.

The fear of hell to be moral has never worked. Time to try something else, something more honest.
What I want to know is how often the Christians on this site have prayed for our (You & I) forgiveness Hev. I suspect none of them have. Which in and of itself makes for a bad christian.
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:24 PM   #59 (permalink)
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There is a reason we haven't overturned roe vs. wade. The majority of people don't want to. Seems like you have a hard time living with that.
By your own reasoning then we should have never overturned the decision of Plessy v Fergueson establishing the doctrine of separate but equal. Damn hev, I never knew you were a racist, such a shame, I expected better of that from you.

The Court should not judge on the basis of majority. That is what the legislature is to supposed to be doing. The Court decides on the basis of law.

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There is a reason we haven't overturned roe vs. wade. The majority of people don't want to. Seems like you have a hard time living with that.
By your own reasoning then we should have never overturned the decision of Plessy v Fergueson establishing the doctrine of separate but equal. Damn hev, I never knew you were a racist, such a shame, I expected better of that from you.
If you're going to call me a racist you're going to have to defend it a little better than that.
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